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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Alan Kelly: Which was way out, obviously.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Alan Kelly: Is it not way out?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Alan Kelly: Can I ask a question though? Is it way out?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Alan Kelly: I am sorry. Tone is an issue here. Is it way out or not?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Alan Kelly: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Alan Kelly: I do not agree but go on.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Alan Kelly: It is Mr. Devine's opinion.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Alan Kelly: It is all in the report, in fairness.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Alan Kelly: Scope changes.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Alan Kelly: Can I-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Devine is going to take up all of my time, I am afraid. That is the only reason I am-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Alan Kelly: Effectively, it is what I said. It is an increase of 63% in the design costs. Is that accurate?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Alan Kelly: That is just fact and it is what it is.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Alan Kelly: I believe the correlation I outlined is accurate. I asked my next question last week and I hope Mr. Barry has had a week to reflect on it because transparency is an issue. The board is changing and that is fair enough. Fair play to anybody who is volunteering for this job, as I said on the that occasion. I thank them because it is not an easy role to jump into. In fairness to Mr. Barry...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Alan Kelly: I am not asking Mr. Barry to making a comment about any individual.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Alan Kelly: I am asking him a very simple question. Is the board strengthened or weakened? Mr. Barry is a skilled person who has been in front of committees for years. He is one of the best people I have ever seen for coming in front of committees and answering questions, to be fair to him. This is a very specific question that I am asking and the country is watching. Is the board strengthened or...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Alan Kelly: By the way, the Government said publicly in the past that the reason the role was on the board was specifically because it needed to be and it was a good idea.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Alan Kelly: This is about the seventh or eighth time. I am not asking Mr. Barry to do that. It is a very simple question. If he does not want to answer, that is fine. Well, it is not fine but I will accept Mr. Barry does not want to answer it. Is the board strengthened or weakened by the fact the role is no longer part of it? It is a pretty basic question.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Alan Kelly: I do not know what to say to that, to be honest.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Barry is not answering the question and we will move on.

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