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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: It was €750,000.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: Leaving aside 2015, if one takes a look at a 14-year period, there seems to be significantly more than €200,000 per year to Pobal, so Mr. McCarthy has not answered my question. Pobal would have had not far off €1 million in some of those years.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: There is something desperately wrong there.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: What is driving that seesaw? How are we monitoring what Pobal is spending here? Why is it going up and down so much without any value getting to people on the ground?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: No, no. In terms of the checks and balance of the Department vis-à-visPobal, I merely want to know why is the budget doubling some years, drastically going down or going back up when I cannot see in the figures that activity on the ground, in terms of money going out to communities, is increasing. Why is that happening?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: Has the Department a service level agreement with Pobal?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: A framework agreement. Would Mr. McCarthy expand on that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: In terms of the moneys, is the Department responsible for paying Pobal that administration fee?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: Is there a service level agreement between the Department and Pobal for that, in terms of how it is monitored and measured and in respect of the way in which activity is quantified?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: Does that agreement stipulate how much? Is there a rate per application? How is activity driven through that agreement?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: Is the service fee a flat fee?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: There is a flat-rate fee of €184,000 and the balance is based on activity. That means Pobal did nothing last year, if we are saying €200,00 is for administration.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: No, no. I just want to get this right here now. We are saying €200,000 was the administration fee. Mr. McCarthy stated €184,000 is the flat-rate service level agreement fee and the balance is on activity, am I correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: That means, in 2016, if €200,000 was the allocation, Pobal did nothing for the year.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: Does Mr. McCarthy accept that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: Clearly, there was no activity. I would have serious reservations.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: Is it correct that these community groups are going to Pobal getting information in terms of applications for various different funding streams?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: Therefore, it does relate to activity.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: It sounds like it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: Why has the Department a flat fee of €184,000 then, if Pobal only runs schemes when the Department runs them? If the Department decides to run no measures, does that mean Pobal still gets €184,000?

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