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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Beef Data and Genomics Programme: Discussion with Irish Cattle Breeding Federation (2 Jul 2015)

Éamon Ó Cuív: I thank Mr. Coughlan for coming before the joint committee and making a presentation. It is a pity it did not happen before we got to where we are, that is to say, a position where we have a scheme with an incredibly low take-up, particularly among smaller herdowners. From the figures the Minister gave me yesterday, it seems that 52% of herds in the country are less than ten years old. One...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Beef Data and Genomics Programme: Discussion with Irish Cattle Breeding Federation (2 Jul 2015)

Éamon Ó Cuív: The submission does not say that. I take it that is what is meant. The federation states how the system is built. On the one hand, Mr. Coughlan refers to fertility. That is understandable because one wants as much fertility as possible. Mr. Coughlan also referred to milk quality, which is also understandable. He then said all types of land are factored in. He is the expert and I do...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Beef Data and Genomics Programme: Discussion with Irish Cattle Breeding Federation (2 Jul 2015)

Éamon Ó Cuív: That must be what Meath did in the dressing room last weekend.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Beef Data and Genomics Programme: Discussion with Irish Cattle Breeding Federation (2 Jul 2015)

Éamon Ó Cuív: It is a very peculiar arrangement. The ICBF is the only player in this market. Its board was about to get its biggest contract for the largest amount of money ever but Mr. Coughlan claims it was not involved.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Beef Data and Genomics Programme: Discussion with Irish Cattle Breeding Federation (2 Jul 2015)

Éamon Ó Cuív: I have been dealing professionally with charities for a long time. When I was Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs, I dealt with a wide range of not-for-profit bodies. I never saw one which did not try to build an empire, particularly when a Government contract was coming down the road. Human nature is human nature.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Beef Data and Genomics Programme: Discussion with Irish Cattle Breeding Federation (2 Jul 2015)

Éamon Ó Cuív: It was giving technical advice but an increase in the number cattle being tested would mean it gets more business. I understand each test costs €30. The more people employed, the bigger the organisation and the greater its input. That is just human nature. Any of us who have dealt with the not-for-profit sector has had to guard against such behaviour. It is not realistic to claim...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Beef Data and Genomics Programme: Discussion with Irish Cattle Breeding Federation (2 Jul 2015)

Éamon Ó Cuív: In the wider context in terms of the board-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Beef Data and Genomics Programme: Discussion with Irish Cattle Breeding Federation (2 Jul 2015)

Éamon Ó Cuív: Can we suspend?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Beef Data and Genomics Programme: Discussion with Irish Cattle Breeding Federation (2 Jul 2015)

Éamon Ó Cuív: What time are we coming back? Can we put a time limit on it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Beef Data and Genomics Programme: Discussion with Irish Cattle Breeding Federation (2 Jul 2015)

Éamon Ó Cuív: This is getting to the nub of the mechanics of all of this. Dr. Cromie gave calving percentages, calving intervals and so on. He seems to indicate that about 40% of calves born to a herd would be females, that there is not a calf per cow per annum and that calving intervals are longer. Now, he says from year 1, the percentage will be 60%. That puts a very high bar.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Beef Data and Genomics Programme: Discussion with Irish Cattle Breeding Federation (2 Jul 2015)

Éamon Ó Cuív: What I am saying is that 20 cows produce eight heifer calves-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Beef Data and Genomics Programme: Discussion with Irish Cattle Breeding Federation (2 Jul 2015)

Éamon Ó Cuív: Eight out of 20 is 40%.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Beef Data and Genomics Programme: Discussion with Irish Cattle Breeding Federation (2 Jul 2015)

Éamon Ó Cuív: Can the witnesses clarify the requirement of 60%? Is that 60% based on the number of calves?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Beef Data and Genomics Programme: Discussion with Irish Cattle Breeding Federation (2 Jul 2015)

Éamon Ó Cuív: Will he will only get paid on calved cows?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Beef Data and Genomics Programme: Discussion with Irish Cattle Breeding Federation (2 Jul 2015)

Éamon Ó Cuív: May I ask a question? This is getting interesting. Suppose one asked farmers whether they wanted to join this scheme, particularly in terms of record keeping and noting the star ratings of their animals, but they said they wanted to keep doing things their own way. Suppose one said we will pay €30 per calf to cover the cost of genotyping all female calves and there would be no...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Beef Data and Genomics Programme: Discussion with Irish Cattle Breeding Federation (2 Jul 2015)

Éamon Ó Cuív: I have always had an issue with science. I remember one occasion when I was in a certain Department and had to listen to the same things being said about science. I did not realise that the particular official present was a very fast driver and my comment was not meant to be a dig at him. However, I said that if I decided to apply pure science to a human issue such as road safety then the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Beef Data and Genomics Programme: Discussion with Irish Cattle Breeding Federation (2 Jul 2015)

Éamon Ó Cuív: It is meant to be a piece.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Beef Data and Genomics Programme: Discussion with Irish Cattle Breeding Federation (2 Jul 2015)

Éamon Ó Cuív: There were 73,000-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Beef Data and Genomics Programme: Discussion with Irish Cattle Breeding Federation (2 Jul 2015)

Éamon Ó Cuív: That is one third of one third.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Beef Data and Genomics Programme: Discussion with Irish Cattle Breeding Federation (2 Jul 2015)

Éamon Ó Cuív: A lot of information is coming out. Is it the case that the federation will be sending the packs in four or five weeks time?

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