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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Who is that?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Very good. Did Ernst & Young update the business case? Did it do the business case from the beginning, which then became the definitive business case?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: What is the figure for the total cost of that definitive business case?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I will save time. Is it possible for me, through the Chairman, to get a total cost for the definitive business case done by Ernst & Young?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I raise this because the PwC report, which cost €500,000, states on page 28: "The DBC [definitive business case] overstated the completeness of the design and understated the risks". The report goes on to highlight that this "was factually incorrect and, in fact, when the DBC was approved in April 2017, the Stage 2C Design had been underway for 11 months." As well as describing it as...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I quoted from page 28 of the report but there are many pages on this issue.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: How many private beds in private rooms will be in the hospital? I ask Mr. Breslin to answer that.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: There are no private beds.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: There is a small clinic area for eight consultants.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: That is eight rooms for a number of consultants.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: That is a legacy from the consultant contract that was in place.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: There are different consultant contracts. This is the one contract where they are allowed to do private work in a public hospital.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: In that sense, it is a legacy from what was in place previously and it was copper-fastened in a contract.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: It is not very hard.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I understand that. There are a number of consultant contracts. This particular contract allows private consultants to do private work in a public hospital.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: That is in their contract. Are special areas being provided to them?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: It is provided for in their contract that they can do private work in a public hospital.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Has the charge been worked out?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: That is interesting when there is no accommodation and we are reliant on Ronald McDonald. I thank Dr. Curtis for clarifying that. The costs of communications stood out the last time. Mr. Barry, as the new chairman of the board, might look at the costs incurred to have public relations companies sell the good news. Has he looked at those costs in the accounts for 2017 and 2018?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Yes.

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