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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I thank Mr. McCarthy for the clarification but I was simply relaying the content of the letter. Correspondence No. 2126C is from a medical doctor, dated 18 April 2019, with questions for the committee regarding the national children’s hospital. We will be meeting members of the hospital board next week. We will note this item and raise it next week, as appropriate. Is that...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Is it agreed to hold this over until the report is published? Agreed. We will not take any further action at this point. No. 2132C isa copy of an email sent to a number of people from an individual, dated 24 April 2019, expressing concern regarding the enrolment policy of a school in Navan, County Meath. This matter is not within our remit. We will note the item. No. 2133C is...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Okay, I will continue. No. 2141C is from an individual, dated 29 April 2019, regarding recent commentary in the media on the rural Ireland action plan. Again, this matter is not within the remit of the committee and I propose we note the correspondence. Finally, No. 2143C is from an individual, dated 30 April 2019, regarding contractual arrangements relating to a tourism start-up project...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: We will circulate it to members.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: The final set of accounts came from the Property Services Regulatory Authority, which also received a clear audit opinion. We will note that. On the work programme, there is one key change since Easter. The Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine has been added to the schedule for 20 June 2019. There may be some changes to the final three scheduled meetings but we expect all...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Cuirim fáilte roimh na finnéithe go léir, agus an Coimisinéir nua ach go háirithe. Guím gach rath air ina ról. Tá muidne, An Garda Síochána, agus, níos tábhachtaí, muintir na tíre ag brath air chun bealach nua a thaispeáint. I wish Mr. Harris the best in his new role. The gardaí are dependent on him, but more...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: The accounts are clear but within the accounts the Commissioner himself has raised the issue of significant financial risks, which are outlined.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: With regard to trust and accountability this committee has been here with the issues around Templemore Garda college - which I will not go back on - we have had the Morris tribunal and the €70 million, we have had the Charleton tribunal and the O'Higgins commission of investigation. My three years in the Dáil have been bookended by two reports. It began with the O'Higgins...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: So factually the audit committee is meeting and the reporting structures are working.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Is Mr. Harris happy and satisfied with that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Reference on page 5 to significant risks indicates property and evidence management. I do not believe he intended to be flippant but Mr. Nugent mentioned a property difficulty that arose ten years ago. It has serious reputational risk for the Garda if a proper system is not in place. I am thinking of the Maurice McCabe case and the O'Higgins report and a computer going missing. This is...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Lovely. Is that in place now everywhere?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Has a review taken place of that to see how effectively it is working?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: One second now, is it coming under audit?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I will go back to Mr. Harris on this new system. Obviously it is fundamental that a proper system is in place for property that is going to be used in evidence or not. Is Mr. Harris satisfied that the system is now working? If so, how is Mr. Harris satisfied? Has there been a look-back? The system has been there since 2017 and we are now in 2019. Over the past two years, has there been...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: It would be helpful. I am ignorant in relation to this but am delighted a new system is in place. The next questions are if it is working and how do we know it is working?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: That is what I would love to hear. At this point we do not know it that has happened but Mr. Harris will come back to the committee on that. On page 21 there is reference to Garda masts, which is an income receipt that has jumped significantly. Presumably it is an income for the Garda, but what is it? It has gone from €523,000 to €1.5 million. Someone might come back to me...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I put it to Mr. Nugent that I can read that from the little note. I want to know why it was not envisaged and how much did it cost? Mr. Nugent is saying that it arises-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Okay. I see.

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