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- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: I understand that, but I am asking a different question now. There were 16,649 applications. To give your own best estimate at this stage, and I realise it is not an exact figure, does anybody have any idea if that was 10%, 50%, 70% or 90% of the people who were in the institutions? Have we any concept of how many people were in them?
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: That is the 16,000 and the confidentiality attached to those agreements. You do not know how they break down. In fact, some of the people were in various institutions, not just one, so it might not even be possible. We understand that and we understand the confidentiality. We also understand that it cannot be broken down by individual congregation because of the confidentiality, and...
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: You have no idea? Can anybody help us? I do not know how you will conduct a review of anything if you have no concept of the starting point.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: What did the licence number total?
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: I know, but have you added up the total?
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: What is your best incomplete picture? It is something, and I have nothing.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: Okay, but we have no concept of whether that 16,000 represents some or a majority. We need to know, for people to have an understanding and to learn. I accept that you have an incomplete picture, that you cannot stand over it and that it cannot be audited. However, somebody in the Department of Education and Skills has a ballpark estimate. It might be wrong, but it is something. Can you...
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: Even when it is all over, we still do not know how many.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: It could be a headline tomorrow.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: It is just to give us a better understanding; it is not to trap Mr. Ó Foghlú.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: Please read it again.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: A total of 170,000-----
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: They represented 1.2% of what?
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: Of the population,
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: Roughly 10% of that figure have made applications. That is the only figure I have.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: I am not asking Mr. Ó Foghlú to stand over it.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: At least, it gives us an estimate. Given that the Department had a vague idea of the licence agreements in operation for the schools at the time, why did Mr. Ó Foghlú consider the 2,000 figure was a valid starting point? It highlights a very major weakness in the original starting point.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: Does Mr. Ó Foghlú have any idea of how many of the 16,000 were boys and how many were girls? If he does not know, he does not know.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: It is not included in the Ryan report or any of the other reports.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: No.