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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (10 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The Government has argued that the ring-fencing of this fund is to bring about behavioural change. It could not be argued that what was collected so far served that purpose because it was merely a revenue-raising exercise. The tax was introduced in 2010 and much money has been raised since that could have gone towards retrofitting, etc. When we examine this issue, it is important that we...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I will start by asking about the NTA's headquarters and its arrangements. There was an amalgamation with the taxi regulator, which was originally independent of the NTA. My question is about the leases. What the NTA is paying for the property on Fitzwilliam Square is substantially more than it is getting in income. Can Ms Graham explain why that has happened and for how long it will continue?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It is favourable because it does not pay the full rent. Is the lease up to 2024 or 2026?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It is upward-only reviews.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Is that the market rate?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Is that subject to review by the NTA?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Does the NTA carry out the rent review?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The NTA is paying out €170,000 and is getting €80,000. That is the situation at the moment, which is likely to disimprove rather than improve up to 2024.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I want to get through a number of topics so I will try to be succinct with my questions and I ask the witnesses to keep their replies as short as possible. I would appreciate that. With regard to the transfer of buses, which Mr. L'Estrange has said are of varying ages, from Dublin Bus to other parts of the NTA's fleet, the NTA paid the nominal sum of €1. The NTA treated these as an...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: What was the return for Dublin Bus? Did the NTA give it more up-to-date buses? Was that the arrangement?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The NTA treated this as an accounting gain.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The authority talks about value for money in respect of Go-Ahead, which has been designated to take over 10% of Dublin Bus's market. There was quite sizeable expenditure on establishment and operational costs in that regard - €14.6 million in 2018. Was a business case made for that initiative? Will the delegation give us a brief overview of the tendering or procurement process?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Perhaps Ms Graham could start with the business case, which would relate to Go-Ahead.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Did the NTA expect it to cost €14.6 million?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: There is no competitive tension in the market from a public perspective because Go-Ahead is not a direct competitor on any particular route; the routes are designated.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: On the collection of data, I understand the fares collected by Go-Ahead go directly to the NTA. It is a different model from that of Dublin Bus. How does the authority ensure that this is inspected and that fares are collected and so on? Does it have a separate inspection or enforcement regime? If so, who operates it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The NTA is collecting information from Leap card use and from cash fares. Does it expect a particular proportion of fares to be paid in cash? I presume so.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The NTA also gathers data from the public services card, PSC.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The system does not differentiate between Go-Ahead, Dublin Bus or Irish Rail.

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