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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

David Cullinane: So would the Commissioner prefer to have the 800 staff? Is it that the Garda did not have the resources?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

David Cullinane: So An Garda Síochána has had to reduce the 800 to 600 recruits because it did not have the budget to recruit the 800.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

David Cullinane: I thank Mr. Harris.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

David Cullinane: No, that did not go through GSOC.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

David Cullinane: I believe it was a third party.

Written Answers — Department of Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht: Artists' Remuneration (14 May 2019)

David Cullinane: 516. To ask the Minister for Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht if it is policy that artists who engage with bodies funded in part or whole with public funds should be paid for their work; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [20517/19]

Written Answers — Department of Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht: Artists' Remuneration (14 May 2019)

David Cullinane: 517. To ask the Minister for Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht the oversight arrangements in place in her Department to ensure that artists are paid by bodies in receipt of public funds; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [20518/19]

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 May 2019)

David Cullinane: I welcome that. Lessons are obviously being learned in respect of the national children's hospital and the broadband plan. As we discussed at our last meeting, there was a lot of commentary on the correspondence between Mr. Watt and the Secretary General of the Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment. That is fine. He set out very real concerns regarding that project....

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 May 2019)

David Cullinane: If that is what the correspondence shows up, that is what it shows up.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 May 2019)

David Cullinane: Even that is a learning in itself. Most people see the tension between the Departments as having been a healthy tension. It is good to see that as part of a process. If that was lacking in respect of the national children's hospital or, worse, if it was the case that the Department of Health was trying to make contact with the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and not hearing...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 May 2019)

David Cullinane: We will, but I still think it merits a response in terms of the correspondence that came in separate from this meeting, so I would like to make a number of observations on it. The first is that this was never about individuals. I am not aware of what comments the Chairman made but any concerns that were raised, from recollection, were more about the process and conflicts of interest. The...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 May 2019)

David Cullinane: An additional point I forgot to mention was that if there is a conflict of interest, it can be managed if it is declared. There was no declaration here. I read the PwC report and it does not say anywhere that it provided high-level advice at an earlier stage in this project. It was not said. We had discussions at both this committee and the Joint Committee on Health and questions were...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

David Cullinane: Do we all get double time?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

David Cullinane: My first question is for Mr. Breslin. I have two things to say so that we are on the same page. I think we can certainly agree that we are now left with a project with significant cost overruns and that some of those costs could have been avoided. Would Mr. Breslin accept that?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

David Cullinane: That is my second point.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

David Cullinane: We can establish that there was a cost overrun where costs could have been contained and indeed reduced.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

David Cullinane: We have two reports, one from Mazars and one from PwC, both of which show failings that led to the cost overrun. There are learnings from that because there are recommendations in the PwC report that are, obviously, useful for future projects as well so, hopefully, we can agree on that as well.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

David Cullinane: I am sure Mr. Breslin has seen public commentary regarding very robust exchanges between the Secretary General of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Secretary General of the Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment regarding the national broadband plan. Some would see that discussion regarding a cost-benefit analysis of that project and very strongly...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

David Cullinane: Were there disagreements about the two-stage process at any point?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

David Cullinane: Is Mr. Breslin satisfied that the some of the issues captured in both reports that led in part to the cost overrun are down to failures in both the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Department of Health?

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