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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: It is based on an average. It is what it is but it was 5 kg/cu. m. The question I am asking relates to the fact that this had to be taken into consideration in the matrix that determined the average cow generates 89 kg of nitrogen. For whatever reason, whether it be through surveys and testing etc, we are now saying it is 2.4 kg/cu. m but yet we have a band up to 106. What matrix was used...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: Maybe it is too simple, but it looks so simple that if we were using the figure of 5 kg/cu. m when we were working out 89 kg, now we say it was not 5 kg/cu. m at all but it was 2.4 kg/cu. m. Therefore, if we were using 2.4 kg/cu. m when we were creating our bands, our bands should be something like 60, 72, and 85.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: Mr. Callanan will give me a paper on how he gets the context. To answer my question, can he let me know how the bands were calculated based on that content?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: Can Mr. Callanan see where I am coming from with how the bands are calculated given that if it was 5 kg/cu. m and now 2.5 kg/cu. m, it has to affect the calculation of the bands? It has to affect the bands in a downward direction.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: It is an integral part of it. It is an integral part of the calculation of a banding of the nitrogen output.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: I ran out of time earlier and I want to go back to the issue I raised because I need further clarification. This is with regard to the number of kilograms of nitrogen in a cubic metre of slurry. What is the European default with regard to the nitrogen content in a cubic metre of slurry?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: It was our decision. It was an in-house decision to reduce it from 5 kg to 2.5 kg. It was not due to an instruction.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: I am not arguing and I accept the bona fides that we were wrong at 5 kg and we are right at 2.5 kg. I am not throwing aspersions at anybody but I need serious clarification. We need wriggle room. I cannot see how our banding could be right after the amount of slurry has been reduced and that the only effect it has is in limiting slurry export qualities. It had to affect the banding also....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: Can Mr. Callanan see how I could be confused if we go from 5 kg to 2.4 kg and the only thing that changes is slurry exportation, nothing else? Everything has to change. If we were too high at 5 kg, so be it, and maybe 2.4 kg is the right figure-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: By correlation, everything changes, including the banding, not just what you are allowed for slurry export. It does not add up; it does not make sense.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: I am trying to get a bit of wiggle room to help the people who are now caught and have to come back to 220 kg N/ha, the people who were staying below 220 kg N/ha and indeed the people who are trying to stay below 170 kg N/ha. If we are wrong, it is not helping them. It will take a lot to prove we are not wrong.

Seanad: Nithe i dtosach suíonna - Commencement Matters: Disability Services (26 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: I thank the Senator and the Minister of State. She is going for the hat-trick and remaining with us. Senator McGreehan is next.

Seanad: Nithe i dtosach suíonna - Commencement Matters: School Transport (26 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: I thank the Minister of State. The Senator has one minute for a supplementary question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Development of the Sheep Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: I welcome Mr. Christal and Mr. O'Flynn witnesses and thank them for their presentation. I want to go back on the sheep milk side of things, which Deputy Flaherty touched on. Being honest, that is probably why the witnesses are here this evening. Sheep milk came up when the Crosse brothers from Cashel attended this committee and discussed their innovative idea of sheep milk. As well as the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Development of the Sheep Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: What about the processors? This has come up a number of times now about the primary producers. When the Crosse brothers were here they did not need funding to buy or milk the ewes but it was for the processing of the cheese or whatever it is called. It is a processing business.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Development of the Sheep Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: The milk would need to be processed even if it went out in milk form. There is potential there. They would not be a primary producer but they would maybe be a member of a co-operative, for the want of a better word, feeding the raw material into that cooperative or that company.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Development of the Sheep Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: I did not mean a policy restriction. I was putting the cart before the horse in that, if it was policy, could Enterprise Ireland drive it? There is one family and one company, Sheep Milk Ireland. Hypothetically, if the Government decided that there is a future in this area, that is the only company. It has talked to Enterprise Ireland already but can EI be instructed by Government that...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Development of the Sheep Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: I welcome Mr. Punch and Mr. Byrne and thank them for their presentation. They are preaching to the converted. There is nothing they have told us that we have not heard before. I will again go on the record that, based on what is in their presentation and for many other reasons, I cannot fathom why sheep sector, and the mushroom sector for that matter, do not qualify for the Brexit...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Development of the Sheep Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: I am not asking Mr. Byrne to breach the confidence of the council. I do not like to hear someone who is on a council or committee saying they want to ensure it does not become a talking shop. Is that the direction it is heading? Can Mr. Byrne see any light at the end of the tunnel for the wool sector, based on the council?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Development of the Sheep Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2023)

Paul Daly: I do not want Mr. Byrne to divulge anything that might be confidential.

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