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Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jan O'Sullivan: There are three sets of figures, information relating to which I can give the Deputy afterwards. The number of students in mainstream primary and post-primary accessing SNAs - approximately 12,000 in 2011 and going up to 16,000 - comprises the first set. There is a second set of figures for students in special classes who are accessing SNAs and a third set in respect of those in special...

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jan O'Sullivan: An increase was built in.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jan O'Sullivan: I will try to answer some of the questions including specific ones from Deputy McConalogue. We did allocate an extra 365 posts in the Estimates process before last year. We allocated funding for extra SNAs but on top of that we had to allocate the additional ones. We are carrying out a focused policy assessment of the SNA scheme which is currently under way. It will involve the...

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jan O'Sullivan: We are better able to identify the resource hour needs. As Deputy O'Brien said, the SNA need is sometimes identified during the school life of the child. I accept that we want to be more accurate in predicting these issues and we are happy to work with the committee in doing that. The review will help us. The percentage of students accessing SNA, relative to the demographic increase, is...

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jan O'Sullivan: It is related to that.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jan O'Sullivan: It is also quite focused. We have already implemented some of the recommendations of the value for money report because they were specific. Many of the others are ongoing in terms of implementation. This is a specific focused review of the SNA. If it is identified that one suddenly needs to spend more money than anticipated it is important to identify why one was not able to anticipate...

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jan O'Sullivan: It would be for the forthcoming year. The Estimates are done in the autumn and the first set of identified needs comes in January. More come in later in the year. One then finds one is going to need more, so the money has to be put in place to employ the people for the following school year.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jan O'Sullivan: Yes, bringing it up to 11,940.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jan O'Sullivan: There were 610 on top of the 365 we had already budgeted for.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jan O'Sullivan: Yes, they were already budgeted for.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jan O'Sullivan: Yes, if we count the 365 that were already budgeted for.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jan O'Sullivan: It certainly requires review. The Deputy is right.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jan O'Sullivan: Yes, September 2015, this current school year.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jan O'Sullivan: Yes.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jan O'Sullivan: Yes.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jan O'Sullivan: On Deputy O'Brien's first question, we will do the same next year; 80% will again be paid in 2016 for the following year and 20% in 2017, the same as for this year. That is the intention.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jan O'Sullivan: No, it does not. Some of the institutes of technology in particular have issues and the Higher Education Authority is in discussion with the sector. Everybody knows that the issue is under consideration by the group led by Peter Cassells, which is due to report shortly. I will publish that report. It is a broader issue in terms of the funding of higher education in general. There are...

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jan O'Sullivan: It will certainly be an issue and probably one on which the political parties will take positions. It is going to be a big question for the future funding of the sector. It is not just a cashflow issue but is more generally linked to the fact that the demographics are constantly growing. I will come to that in response to the Deputy's second question. The population is continuing to grow....

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jan O'Sullivan: I suppose the answer is that it is the same amount of money and they are just getting more of it earlier. They are aware of that and have to factor it into how they plan their year.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jan O'Sullivan: The Higher Education Authority is watching their financial position. They are feeling pressure which we want to try to alleviate insofar as we can. They are aware that there is a full year to plan for and they have to do that.

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