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Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Who appointed him in his role as the CEO of Kildare-Wicklow ETB? Who appointed him?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Who signed off on the appointment?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: The Department signed off. So, notwithstanding issues and concerns that had been raised about the VEC which led to a supplementary report which the Comptroller and Auditor General says was quite unusual, the individual came through an interview process that was signed off on by the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: It was redeployment. Having said that, he was redeployed into the role.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Does that concern Mr. Ó Foghlú?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: In terms of the 2012 supplementary report based on the 2010 accounts of the Kildare VEC, Mr. McCarthy examined the 2015 accounts of the Kildare-Wicklow ETB. He carried out an audit, found that there were issues and had to suspend the audit in June of 2017. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Is it the case that Mr. McCarthy had to go above-----

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: -----the CEO? Okay. I imagine that took Mr. McCarthy to the board. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: The chair of the board was approached?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Were any of them aware of any of the concerns or issues that Mr. McCarthy had?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: A significant surprise?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: They were a surprise to the chair, the vice chair and the head of the audit committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: No, but they were surprised?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: How could they be surprised and shocked if some of these issues overlapped with issues of procurement that happened in 2010? That brings me to Mr. Merrick who sat on the finance committee for a time. The Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General contacted the chair of board. Mr. Merrick said he first became aware of this in July or August 2017 and all of this was a surprise. How was...

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Who signs off on the spending on credit cards, booking hotels and subsistence? Who has oversight of spending in those areas?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Would the finance committee have any role in any of that?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Why not? What does the finance committee do?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Who signs off on spending? We heard of meetings in the K Club and concerns were raised in the Comptroller and Auditor General's report. There were issues about the incurring of significant expenditure with certain hotels without a competitive procurement process. There were subsistence claims by the then chief executive that did not comply with regulations. Who signed off on those claims...

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Who would have oversight?

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