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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: National Property Revaluation Programme
(25 Jan 2018)

Peter Burke: Did Ms Smyth say that 50% are not on the initial contract? That does not really add up.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: National Property Revaluation Programme
(25 Jan 2018)

Peter Burke: There is no appetite at administration level to get applications processed, as evidenced by the 50% of staff who are not doing overtime. Is there a reason for that? I note the Valuation Office returned a surplus of €1.5 million to the Exchequer. Why is that money being returned when there is a massive urgency to get parity and fairness throughout the system and ensure businesses are...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: National Property Revaluation Programme
(25 Jan 2018)

Peter Burke: On ICT, the issue of how far behind the cost centres are and there not even being a business case to present to the Department in that regard has been raised. Do the witnesses not think it unusual, bearing in mind how far behind the business case is, that of a full-time equivalent staff of 117, and even allowing that only 50% of staff qualify for overtime, one person used up 90% of the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: National Property Revaluation Programme
(25 Jan 2018)

Peter Burke: I understand that but I am referring to the 50% who are eligible for overtime, such as ICT staff, bearing in mind the need to get the cost centres together, or other staff dealing with administration such as paperwork within the office.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: National Property Revaluation Programme
(25 Jan 2018)

Peter Burke: There is a demand for overtime in those areas. I do not agree that a business case that is not there has to be forwarded to the Department. There is demand for overtime because Mr. O'Sullivan cannot be 100% sure the office is operating efficiently, as evidenced by his inability to answer "yes" to my question in that regard. There is, therefore, a demand to improve the systems and I find it...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: National Property Revaluation Programme
(25 Jan 2018)

Peter Burke: Mr. O'Sullivan and Ms Smyth will use up the overtime allowance.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: National Property Revaluation Programme
(25 Jan 2018)

Peter Burke: On efficiency, I note the slow pace of valuation. How does Mr. O'Sullivan justify that a business in Limerick or Westmeath may have had a 400% increase in rates but an equivalent property in a place such as Cork or Wicklow might have to wait seven years more before it is revalued? The initial revaluation in some counties was carried out during the deep recessionary period, and that was the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: National Property Revaluation Programme
(25 Jan 2018)

Peter Burke: I am missing Mr. O'Sullivan's point. His office has returned some €1.5 million to the Department but it is not getting through the revaluation at a fast pace. Some businesses in certain categories want a clear reason why they have experienced a 400% increase yet businesses in other counties may have to wait almost a decade for an increase, which is of particular relevance against the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: National Property Revaluation Programme
(25 Jan 2018)

Peter Burke: That will give no solace to a business faced with a big increase during a recessionary period while businesses in other counties receive no increase. The matrix provided indicates that businesses in several counties will not be revalued until 2021. Some might consider such businesses lucky. There seems to be some disparity as retailers have to shoulder a bigger increase than industrial...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: National Property Revaluation Programme
(25 Jan 2018)

Peter Burke: Which could take 20 years, judging by how things are going.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: National Property Revaluation Programme
(25 Jan 2018)

Peter Burke: Wicklow is not very far from Dublin.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: National Property Revaluation Programme
(25 Jan 2018)

Peter Burke: I am trying to highlight how much things have changed since 2014. I am not clear about the selection process because as regards the quantity of businesses, a huge amount of money is tied up in Cork city rateable valuations. As regards geographical reasons for selection, the matrix shows that some neighbouring counties have not been revalued and are getting a pass, with Wicklow not to be...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: National Property Revaluation Programme
(25 Jan 2018)

Peter Burke: Does Mr. O'Sullivan think the system is fair?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: National Property Revaluation Programme
(25 Jan 2018)

Peter Burke: He does not think it is fair.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: National Property Revaluation Programme
(25 Jan 2018)

Peter Burke: Does Mr. O'Sullivan think it is fair?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: National Property Revaluation Programme
(25 Jan 2018)

Peter Burke: Mr. O'Sullivan can appreciate that a business may find the system very unfair.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: National Property Revaluation Programme
(25 Jan 2018)

Peter Burke: A business may find it unsatisfactory or unfair. As regards Mr. O'Sullivan not being prepared to say the Valuation Office operates efficiently, is the €41 million referenced by the Comptroller and Auditor General as having been spent by the office on this process to the end of 2016 reflective of the phase 1 valuation of south Dublin, Fingal, Dún Laoghaire, Dublin city, Waterford,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: National Property Revaluation Programme
(25 Jan 2018)

Peter Burke: I want to know to which counties that €41 million relates.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: National Property Revaluation Programme
(25 Jan 2018)

Peter Burke: I want to deal with the €41 million, not the updated figure. I have------

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: National Property Revaluation Programme
(25 Jan 2018)

Peter Burke: The €41 million was-------

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