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Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Is it correct that there would be no grounds by which one of the centres would be able to refuse a meal?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Has Mr. Purcell received any reports of that happening?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: I am talking about refusing to give, for example, a lunch.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: I might bring that to Mr. Purcell separately from this.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Yes. In the past few weeks I have been getting quite a few.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: I will bring that to the Secretary General separately after this meeting. On the cost of the centres, Deputy Maureen O'Sullivan got a very good breakdown of the contracts for each centre and how much they cost. Is there individual scrutiny of each contract? There seems to be variation in what is being paid to different centres - even to ones with the same number of people.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: What would give rise to a difference of €50,000 or €100,000 between two centres with the same number of people?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: If, for example, one centre had families it might have different costs to one that did not. Is it that kind of thing?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: How does a contractor come to win a contract to provide services?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Is it tendered publicly?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: To return to the issue we were discussing before moving to that section of the Vote, when a deportation order is issued to individuals they must present themselves at a Garda station every two weeks until they are deported. However, there are cases where deportation orders are issued but the person is not deported for quite some time. I have figures from a reply to a parliamentary question...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Would it be the case, for example, that if the deportation order was issued and the person did not challenge it, he or she might not be deported for a period of time for cost reasons?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Once that decision is taken and it is not being challenged or that process is finished and the deportation order is issued, are there any instances then in which a person can ask for three more months because, for example, their children are still in education and want to complete the leaving certificate? Are all their rights gone at that stage with regard to possibly remaining the country...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: That is the formal process of applying for leave to remain. If people are told they will be deported, they can come back into the formal system by applying for leave to remain. However, I am asking about when that process has expired and the person has not been successful and is due to be deported. When the Department moves to deport that person and it turns out that it will interfere in a...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: It goes back into the court system.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: On a case-by-case approach is there flexibility within the Department to say it will issue an order for deportation but that it will wait because it is aware there are particular circumstances and it would be more beneficial for the person on their return to their home country?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: If somebody is in education, for example, will that be taken into account?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: With regard to the process when the person is deported, do we track those instances where somebody is deported and is found to be back in the country again?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Will they begin the process again?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: The immigration Bill is due to come before the Dáil soon. With regard to the process where somebody applies for asylum and where that is refused he or she then applies for leave to remain, is it correct that these two processes will be brought together?

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