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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Housing for All: Discussion (13 Jun 2024)

Eoin Ó Broin: My apologies. It is the analysis. Does the Minister accept the analysis?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Housing for All: Discussion (13 Jun 2024)

Eoin Ó Broin: Before I go into this question, would be possible for one of the Minister's officials to draft a short briefing note for the committee on a very technical aspect of the affordable housing fund legislation? I refer to the long backstop and what I call the 40-year rule, which is one of the conditions under which the local authorities can seek the full repayment of the equity. I am not going...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Housing for All: Discussion (13 Jun 2024)

Eoin Ó Broin: May I ask when did it start? When did the review commence?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Housing for All: Discussion (13 Jun 2024)

Eoin Ó Broin: Again, I also do not want to stray into the Peter McVerry Trust issues at this time. It would be very helpful if the officials were able to provide the committee with a note as to when the terms of reference were agreed. If the Minister could share the terms of reference with us, it would be helpful. When did the review commence? Who is on it and when will it conclude? I certainly would...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Revised)
Vote 23 - An Coimisiún Toghcháin (Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Revised)
(13 Jun 2024)

Eoin Ó Broin: I thank the Minister and Ministers of State for their opening statements. The role of this committee in scrutinising Estimates is important and one that a number of us take seriously. We do that by tracking what is committed on budget day through the abridged Estimates Volume, how that is then finalised in the Revises Estimates Volume in December, and the subsequent changes to that...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Revised)
Vote 23 - An Coimisiún Toghcháin (Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Revised)
(13 Jun 2024)

Eoin Ó Broin: Again, I am not looking to have an argument, but a few of the things the Minister said are not accurate. I will set out the position. My understanding of the budgetary process is that there are essentially estimated Estimates in the abridged Estimates file. It exists. It is a table and it is not only at programme level. It is at sub-programme level. Every line item is itemised. When...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Revised)
Vote 23 - An Coimisiún Toghcháin (Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Revised)
(13 Jun 2024)

Eoin Ó Broin: I want to know where it comes from.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Revised)
Vote 23 - An Coimisiún Toghcháin (Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Revised)
(13 Jun 2024)

Eoin Ó Broin: In the most recent of these documents it was in such small writing that I found it hard to see, but it said how much came from each subhead.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Revised)
Vote 23 - An Coimisiún Toghcháin (Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Revised)
(13 Jun 2024)

Eoin Ó Broin: Is there a reason it is not in the official Revised Estimates document? Normally those changes are tracked in the Revised Estimates document.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Revised)
Vote 23 - An Coimisiún Toghcháin (Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Revised)
(13 Jun 2024)

Eoin Ó Broin: In previous Revised Estimates there has been a table which shows where the carryover is and lists per subhead how much was underspent in the subhead to give the carryover, in this case of €1.41 million.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Revised)
Vote 23 - An Coimisiún Toghcháin (Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Revised)
(13 Jun 2024)

Eoin Ó Broin: Previous Revised Estimates also showed where it came from. It was a small sub-----

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Revised)
Vote 23 - An Coimisiún Toghcháin (Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Revised)
(13 Jun 2024)

Eoin Ó Broin: Okay. My final question is based on what the Minister said. For example, local authority funding on the capital assistance scheme, CAS, cost rental equity loan, CREL, scheme, the affordable housing fund and the first home scheme is chronically underspent every year. Will this year be the first year the money for those programmes will be spent in the full year?

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Revised)
Vote 23 - An Coimisiún Toghcháin (Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Revised)
(13 Jun 2024)

Eoin Ó Broin: Yes, it just gives the A-----

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Revised)
Vote 23 - An Coimisiún Toghcháin (Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Revised)
(13 Jun 2024)

Eoin Ó Broin: What I have is the 2024 Further Revised Estimates.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Revised)
Vote 23 - An Coimisiún Toghcháin (Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Revised)
(13 Jun 2024)

Eoin Ó Broin: The Minister might get one of the officials to show it to me after the meeting, if that is okay.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Revised)
Vote 23 - An Coimisiún Toghcháin (Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Revised)
(13 Jun 2024)

Eoin Ó Broin: The Minister mentioned the first home scheme. On the capital funding for local authorities, namely CAS, the affordable housing fund and CREL, on the basis of what the Minister has seen so far, is he saying this will be the first year that what was allocated in the AEV and REV will be spent in full?

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Revised)
Vote 23 - An Coimisiún Toghcháin (Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Revised)
(13 Jun 2024)

Eoin Ó Broin: Across all the subheads.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Revised)
Vote 23 - An Coimisiún Toghcháin (Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Revised)
(13 Jun 2024)

Eoin Ó Broin: Thank you.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Revised)
Vote 23 - An Coimisiún Toghcháin (Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Revised)
(13 Jun 2024)

Eoin Ó Broin: The Minister said the document did not exist and then we got it.

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