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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Of those 300 Private Members' Bills-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: We are all in opposition, there is nobody from the Government here.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: How many of the 300 Private Members' Bills have made it into law?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: If only six or seven out of 300 Bills became law then what level of work was done by the office in terms of giving advice to Government?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: If only six or seven are counted.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Sorry, Mr. Moloney, bear with me for one second.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: I am reading from Mr. Moloney's opening statement. If I am missing anything, feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Mr. Moloney mentioned that in his response to a question that I asked. What he references, in his opening statement, is the 300 Private Members' Bills.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Mr. Moloney has said that as part of his increasing workload that he has to give advice to Government on some of those Bills.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Giving that advice does not happen automatically, it only happens for some of those Bills and, primarily, when they get to Committee Stage. I asked Mr. Moloney how many of the 300 Private Members' Bills had made it into law and he said it was six. If the number is more than that because the Government took some of those Bills and made them their own then that is fine. If Mr. Moloney lumps...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: I am trying to understand the workload. One of the issues for the Opposition is that most of their Bills do not go anywhere and are stuck. Who advises on attaching a money Bill to those Bills? Is it the Office of the Attorney General?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Would the Office of the Attorney General give advice on that? Is that one of the areas where the Office of the Attorney General would give advice?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: I did not ask.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Wait until I ask the question. I do not want to ask Mr. Moloney to do something he cannot. If there are 300 Private Members' Bills in which the office has had some role, could the witness at least provide us with the information on how many Bills the office has given advice?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: I am not sure if I am being unclear. I thought I was very clear that I was not asking for what advice the office gave.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: The witness was able to give a figure of 300. He stated there were over 300 Private Members' Bills-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Never mind the advice the advice given by Mr. Moloney's office, which is fair enough, as it is advice to the Government. The witness is not even able to tell us in broad terms how many of those 300 Bills had any involvement of the Office of the Attorney General.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Okay. I find that extraordinary. It is part of the problem as we in the Opposition come up against advice given by the Office of the Attorney General. That is the position. Teachta Connolly dealt with an issue in Mr. Donoghue's opening statement. He spoke about the largest single area of the €40.9 million cost being €16.4 million arising from the fees paid to counsel who...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

David Cullinane: Okay. Has there been an increase in counsel fees as well? What cost controls are in place to ensure we get value for money with counsel fees? The witness indicated the single largest area of cost was €16.4 million arising from fees paid to counsel to prosecute cases. How are those fees determined and what cost control mechanisms are in place to ensure we manage those costs?

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