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Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Watt answered the question specifically.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: One second. Mr. Watt stated that he was made aware on 19 November. His Minister, at another committee, said he found out on 9 November. Did it take ten days for the Minister to tell Mr. Watt?

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: Actually, Mr. Watt-----

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: I agree with Mr. Watt.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: To be fair, Mr. Watt informed Deputy Jonathan O'Brien earlier that he was first made aware the issue on 19 November.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: He has now added to that. On 9 November, the Minister was made aware of it. When was Mr. Watt first made aware that there was an issue? It is just a simple question and I am entitled to ask it. He was first made aware in written form on 19 November. When was he first made aware of an issue orally?

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: That is new information, just to let Mr. Watt know. We have never heard this before.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: What is the disdain for? I am only asking a question.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: I have asked Mr. Watt about the Estimates process-----

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: I want to know when the Department became aware of the issue because the Estimates process had been completed. If the Department was aware of the matter, why was the issue not flagged as part of the Estimates process?

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: That is why I want to know when Mr. Watt knew.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: With respect, I am entitled to ask that question.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: And he was first made aware of the matter on 9 November.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: On 9 November.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: There was an email from Ms Tracey Conroy to Mr. David Moloney on 20 November. I will read it into the record because, following my question, Mr. Watt will need to hear it. Ms Conroy is the assistant secretary of the acute hospitals policy division in the Department of Health. I do not know Mr. Moloney. The email states:David we have been seeking to meet your division on this issue since...

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: To be fair to the Department of Health - I am playing devil's advocate here - its officials were trying to talk to Mr. Watt's Department. I am referring to a document released to us. The dates are 27 September, 17 October, 24 October and 15 November.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: It seems timely enough. The Secretary General of the Department of Health flagged this during budget negotiations. It is referred to by an official in Mr. Watt's Department. Numerous attempts were made to meet. In fairness, the Minister actually made reference to this during a meeting of the health committee. Mr. Watt feels it is timely enough that, on 21 November-----

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: In hindsight, does Mr. Watt not believe that it would have been a good idea to sit down with the representatives from the Department of Health following their request for a meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: It certainly had enough documentation to have a discussion with Mr. Watt's Department at the time. We have seen all the documentation, the letters that came through the board and the board's minutes. The Department of Health officials certainly had enough to have a discussion with Mr. Watt's Department. The fact that there was no meeting is bewildering to me. I do not find the answer...

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: He certainly has not addressed the second part.

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