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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: I thank the Chair and welcome the Minister. In the Minister's introductory piece, she mentioned asking the question on Monday, and then asking it on Wednesday again. Could she elaborate on why she asked the question a second time? In her opening statement, she said she was willing to elaborate further on the events of last Thursday. What are the events she wants to elaborate on? With...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: While that was being said, Kevin Bakhurst was sitting there in the same room and made no comment at all to contradict the comments the chairperson had made with regard to it.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: I do not have confidence in Kevin Bakhurst after hearing that. I think he is compromised in his role and in his position because he made no comment on that despite the fact that he knew that was not correct. He should have given that information to the Minister who was acting on behalf of the Government. I feel that he is compromised in his position on that basis. Who was going to break...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: We have been having meetings over the past nine months. One person, in particular, has not been here. I would like the Minister’s view. Should the former director general, Dee Forbes, come before this committee?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: Would the Minister hold a similar view on the former Secretary General, Katherine Licken, coming to a meeting of this committee?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: Indeed, would that also be the case for Siún Ní Raghallaigh, even though she has left that role?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: We need to get clarity.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: The former chair rang the Secretary General, Feargal Ó Coigligh, to inform him that she had misinformed the Minister twice last week in relation to the CFO payment coming before the committee. Is there a note of that conversation in the Department?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: Could that be provided to the committee?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: In light of the question that was asked about Kevin Bakhurst, does the Minister have confidence in her officials in the Department?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: I would like to ask about the packages. The Minister has been in this role for a number of years. We are going back to Breda O’Keeffe. Would the Minister have been informed at any stage of any of these package deals, exit deals or payments? Have the Minister's officials ever made these known to her in her role as Minister?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: Yes.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: None of the Minister’s officials would have had that information.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: Would the Minister be in favour of a court order in the public interest to get that information?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: Yes.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: It was my understanding that a court order could be taken to get that information, but perhaps I am incorrect. The Minister would be supportive of any mechanism that needs to happen to get that information out into the public domain. As she has said, none of the officials here or other officials in the Department have knowledge of these figures.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: The Minister, therefore, would be supportive of whatever mechanism - a court order or whatever - being put in place to get that information.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: I thank the Minister. Looking to the future, the Minister mentioned the two expert reports and the need for reforms in public sector broadcasting. The reality is that now we are in a situation where we have no chair. We need a chair. We need someone who is very strong in that role. It could be said that it might be difficult to get somebody to take on that role after what has happened...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: I thank the Minister very much.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: I just wanted to make a point that was more to do the timelines on the Thursday. I know Deputy Ruairí Ó Murchú has gone through it. It was extremely important that we heard that information here today. It led to what happened on Thursday night. With regard to the chain of events, I think the Minister was correct to send her letter under the circumstances. I do not think...

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