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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Does the HSE have a target of 50:50 or does it want to tilt the balance the other way in terms of 60:40 in favour of the HSE?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: It will be as hard as the question I am asking.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: As the head of HR, does Ms Hoey have a target to work towards?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I thank Ms Hoey. I want to go back to ventilators for a moment. There were 55 ventilators in the private hospitals, but they did not seem to figure. Mr. Mulvany might want to answer this question because, in terms of continuity, he was there at the time. Why did they not seem to figure in the calculations?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I am asking about the 55 ventilators.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Okay, but the number I got was 55.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: But that was not counted in the assessment of what the HSE had that could be used.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: It was relevant at the time in that the fact we had 48, 50 or whatever extra ventilators in the State would have been a factor in terms of the calculation of what we needed. We needed 326 extra ventilators. That is what the established capacity was.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: What I am saying is that those could have been requisitioned in a national emergency. Surely if we were able to take over the hospitals, the public system could have used their ventilators. Does Mr. Tierney want to add anything?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: They were not included in the figures.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: My point is that it is significant that they were there in terms of filling in for an emergency situation.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I want to ask briefly about personal protective equipment, PPE, generally. There is €485 million of unsuitable or obsolete equipment in storage. It includes hand sanitisers, gowns and protective suits that, along with the ventilators, we will not get a benefit from. It is a high figure. I know the context. I always acknowledge the work that was done during the pandemic. On a...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Some of it is obsolete.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I know that.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I am asking if, in May 2023, we needed millions of masks tomorrow morning, let us say there was a Covid mark 2-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Here in this State?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Many small manufacturers stepped up to the plate at the time in providing stuff, including gowns and protective clothing generally. I do not expect ventilators to be produced at every crossroads, but within the EU, are ventilators being produced?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: So we now have good supply lines of masks and equipment, including gowns and those basics.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: It was terrible to watch. I know one facility very close to me where many people died over a weekend and the protective clothing was not available. It was in the worst part of the emergency. We cannot do anything about that but, going forward, it is that we do not get ourselves into that situation again where we are depending on somebody to go to China and use a contact they have there,...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: It is not a case of trying to be nativist and I am not trying to do that.

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