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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Just over 1,600 homes a year are being built. We must find out from the Department what steps it has taken since it was last before the committee to try to speed it up and whether there is a problem. The Deputy highlighted that there may be an issue, particularly in some local authorities where people are not designated to projects. We are told more funding is available to bring in extra...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: We have agreed to note that other piece of correspondence. I thank Mr. McCarthy for the update on the matter. There is one more B item, No. R1870 B, from the Secretary General of the Department of Health. It is proposed to consider this in private session. Is that agreed? Agreed. The next category of correspondence is category C, correspondence from and related to private...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I welcome everyone to the meeting. We have received apologies from Deputies Imelda Munster, Catherine Murphy, and James O'Connor. If attending the meeting from within the committee room, members and witnesses are asked to exercise personal responsibility to protect themselves and others from the risk of contracting Covid-19. Members of the committee attending remotely must do so from...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I thank the Comptroller and Auditor General. Mr. Gloster is very welcome. It is his first visit to this committee as head of the HSE. I wish him well in the job.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I know it will be a big ship to steer. Mr. Gloster is the third HSE CEO we have had appearing before the committee in the past year, with the exit of Paul Reid, who appeared before the committee on a number of occasions. The gap was filled by Mr. Gloster's colleague, Mr. Mulvany, at the most recent meeting we had with the HSE. Mr. Gloster's statement is quite long in the context of his...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I will be very happy for Mr. Gloster to deal with the question in that way.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. Gloster for that. I do not expect Mr. Gloster to have a detailed briefing on it today, and I am aware it is a sensitive matter, and I do not require Mr. Gloster to go into the figures about how much home care costs per hour, but I understand up to now it was €26.50 per hour, which has been the arrangement with the private providers. I do have a question for Mr. Gloster....

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Off the top of his head, I believe Mr. Gloster has the breakdown, what percentage of the hours are provided by the HSE, by the voluntary sector and by the private providers?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: So would it be 30% or 40% private and about 20% voluntary. Would it be around those figures?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I have one last question in relation to it. I have tried to get this information previously by way of parliamentary questions, but with difficulty. Will Mr. Gloster tell me what is the cost per hour for directly employed HSE home care? Figures on this are bounced about in the media sometimes. What is the cost per hour? I am aware that Mr. Gloster will not have this figure off the top of...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is Mr. Gloster hopeful that this can be concluded within the next week to fortnight? I am aware that it is hard to put a timeline on it.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I know that sometimes I do not believe everything that I read.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Perhaps Mr. Gloster will also come back to us with that figure.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. Gloster.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Let him finish briefly.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Thank you, Deputy. Do you have one more brief question?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: The chief officer from the National Treatment Purchase Fund, Mr. Seán Flood, and Ms Tracey Conroy, are before the committee. The Deputy may feel it is more appropriate to ask the question of them.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: There is a review going on in regard to that. We raised that previously. In regard to the number of GPs, as was already said, the shortage of GPs and the difficulties in accessing general practitioner services is loading on problems further up the line in emergency department units, and in people not being treated in time. Mr. Gloster stated that 300 extra students are entering training...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: How many would normally be in training? Mr. Tierney wants to give me a figure.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Will it not go further?

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