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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: When Mr. McCarthy says that is happening on a going concern basis, is he expressing concern about-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: Can that same analysis be applied to Bord na gCon?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: I refer to the analysis that it is just a concern and is not-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: Is it not the case that it is not a good thing-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: -----that an organisation would wonder at the end of every 12 months whether it will be in business at the end of the following 12 months? It is asking whether it can keep going over the next 12 months.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: When it asks that question, or is asked that question, does it set out a plan that convinces the Comptroller and Auditor General that it can do this?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: If the Comptroller and Auditor General draws attention to this in the context of an organisation's 2014 accounts, when will the organisation have to submit a plan to him to convince him that it is possible for it to continue?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: Does the Comptroller and Auditor General's office have that plan then?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: Of its accounts?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: Representatives of Bord na gCon will be with us next week so we can deal with that then. All these accounts are to be noted. The work programme, which is running out of road, is on the screen. It is as we set it out last week. We will deal with Bord na gCon next week. In December, we will deal with the Department of Finance and the Department of Education and Skills. Are there are...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: It is on the website. Under any other business, claims of irregular payments of expenses have been raised with this committee. The clerk recently received a protected disclosure from a former employee who raised concerns in 2012. As is normal with all protected disclosures, legal advice was sought to ensure those making the disclosure enjoy the protection of the Act. As Deputies will see...

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 41 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 5 - Management of Government Grants
Chapter 6 - Payroll Accrual for National Accounts
Chapter 7 - National Lottery Fund
(19 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: Before we begin our meeting, I remind members, witnesses and those in the Gallery to turn off their mobile phones as they interfere with the transmission of the meeting. I advise witnesses that they are protected by absolute privilege in respect of their evidence to this committee. However, if they are directed by the committee to cease giving evidence on a particular matter and they...

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 41 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 5 - Management of Government Grants
Chapter 6 - Payroll Accrual for National Accounts
Chapter 7 - National Lottery Fund
(19 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: I ask Mr. McCarthy to give his opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 41 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 5 - Management of Government Grants
Chapter 6 - Payroll Accrual for National Accounts
Chapter 7 - National Lottery Fund
(19 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: Will Mr. Watt, please, make his opening statement?

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 41 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 5 - Management of Government Grants
Chapter 6 - Payroll Accrual for National Accounts
Chapter 7 - National Lottery Fund
(19 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: I thank Mr. Watt. We did not expect to see him here today.

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 41 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 5 - Management of Government Grants
Chapter 6 - Payroll Accrual for National Accounts
Chapter 7 - National Lottery Fund
(19 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: There must have been retention money involved.

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 41 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 5 - Management of Government Grants
Chapter 6 - Payroll Accrual for National Accounts
Chapter 7 - National Lottery Fund
(19 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: I have several questions on Mr. Watt's opening statement, as I seek clarification. He referred to the fact public spending provides that appraisals and detailed assessments should be carried out before Exchequer resources are committed. He also stated the Department will improve the range of data available to the Government to take decisions. I am asking about a policy matter, but I am...

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 41 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 5 - Management of Government Grants
Chapter 6 - Payroll Accrual for National Accounts
Chapter 7 - National Lottery Fund
(19 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: Will Mr. Watt be able to get the estimate for us during the meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 41 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 5 - Management of Government Grants
Chapter 6 - Payroll Accrual for National Accounts
Chapter 7 - National Lottery Fund
(19 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: With regard to the actual cost of something such as the Fennelly commission, does the Department have any commentary on the figures to state it is reasonable or justified, based on whether the amount of work entailed, which may or may not yield something of significance, is worthwhile pursuing?

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 41 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 5 - Management of Government Grants
Chapter 6 - Payroll Accrual for National Accounts
Chapter 7 - National Lottery Fund
(19 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: I raise the question because of this very point, to know before we enter this exactly where we are going. The Department of the Taoiseach sets it out and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform sets out the potential costs.

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