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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Am I correct in saying that those performance issues were an invention?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: The conclusion I draw from that is that it was an invention, which is my point. The Comptroller and Auditor General cannot deal with individuals. However, I will put it to Professor Fitzgerald or Mr. Ó Foghlú. If there were individuals in the institution who deliberately misled the Comptroller and Auditor General, the Committee of Public Accounts, the Department of Education and...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: When Professor Fitzgerald says "stepped down from their position", are they still working in the university?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Are they gone from the university?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Are they gone from the university?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: They are not gone from the university. The persons who intentionally backdated that letter remain in the university.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Are they still in the university?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: They are still employed there. What sanction has been imposed on them for the actions of deliberately and intentionally misleading the Comptroller and Auditor General?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Therefore, Professor Fitzgerald is telling me that the sanction against these individuals was that, in co-operation with the university, they would step away from their positions and take up other positions. That is completely unacceptable.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: I am conscious there are individuals involved and I support the Chair's decision to go into private session. However, I want to strongly make the point that I have not identified any individuals, nor have I identified their positions. What I have identified are actions that are recorded in the Comptroller and Auditor General's report where there was a deliberate and intentional attempt to...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Given that the process that led to those conditions was flawed, will Professor Fitzgerald and Mr. Ó Foghlú answer how that money will be recouped?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Will Professor Fitzgerald respond again?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Professor Fitzgerald can give it to us here. I am asking now. It may have asked but I am asking today.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: I find that extraordinary as well but my time is up and I will leave it to others.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: I welcome the witnesses and thank Professor Donnelly for his opening statement, which painted a picture of the Waterford economy and the wonderful legacy of WIT. I did not disagree with any of it, but he did not deal to any great degree with the Comptroller and Auditor General's report. In fact, it is the last paragraph that makes reference to it. Why was there not more of a response to...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: I understand, but an Accounting Officer would normally make a more substantial response in his or her opening statement. However, that is a matter for Professor Donnelly. I thank Mr. McCarthy and his office for their work and report. I will turn to page 20, which covers the review of intellectual property management and conflicts of interest. Paragraph 2.17 discusses the review by the...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Paragraph 2.18 refers to how the review highlighted some common areas of weakness, including in respect of systems for managing conflicts of interest and the decision-making process around relative equity stakes in spin-out companies. These were the two areas that the committee and I focused on. We highlighted potential deficiencies. That has been agreed by the Higher Education Authority...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Let us consider Waterford Institute of Technology given that this report focuses on the institute from the perspective of the Comptroller and Auditor General. The report refers to failures in the systems for managing conflicts of interest. I gather "weaknesses" is the word used. Were there weaknesses in the decision-making process around relative equity stakes in spin-out companies?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: From his perspective as the State's chief auditor, having produced this report, Mr. McCarthy has concluded that in these two areas, that is to say, the protection of the institute in respect of its equity and management of conflicts of interest, there were weaknesses in respect of Waterford Institute of Technology and this company. Is that accurate?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: I am referring to decision-making.

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