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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (16 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Does that change the dynamic in that I presume the Office of the Director of Corporate Enforcement, ODCE, will now get involved and it will itself do an audit?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (16 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: That will be as extensive as it is required to be. Will Sport Ireland engage with the ODCE in this regard?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (16 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Obviously, there could be very significant penalties.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (16 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Does Mr. Treacy have any idea of the timeline associated with that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (16 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Obviously, that could end up in the criminal code.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (16 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Once it gets into that area, we are precluded, but we have been notified about it at this stage. The very fact there is Government funding allocated to an organisation like the FAI gives it legitimacy across the board and, in fact, it could have a bearing on other income streams as a consequence. This is very important in terms of not doing more damage than needs to be done. Mr. Treacy...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (16 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Does Sport Ireland need more powers, as a consequence of this matter?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (16 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: We might need to consider that matter again when the dust has settled on this issue.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (16 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I hope that will not be so far into the future that huge long-term damage will be done. There was a previous experience with the Olympic Council of Ireland, OCI, and money was withheld. How long did it take for the money to be restored?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (16 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I have reminded myself of some of the main findings of the Moran report on the debacle. The report stated, about Pat Hickey, that: "his style of leadership was characterised by strong personal control over decision making ... it was an autocratic style of leadership ... there was an over-dependence on the power of one individual ... The Inquiry had a concern at a possible absence of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (16 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: One of the findings was that best accountancy practices were not followed. Is there a correlation between the two organisations from what the witnesses have seen so far?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (16 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I thank Mr. Treacy. I addressed this issue with the Minister two years ago; ironically, it was in 2017. I stated that the Genesis report, as it was then, 13 years ago sought two independent directors of the board, which could have made a sizeable difference. The Minister agreed with me but it appears nothing was done about it. Does he regret that at this stage?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (16 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: You were the Minister.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (16 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The real leverage is the money. We can see that the dynamic changed when the money was withheld. A sizeable grant was allocated and quite a debate took place between the Department, Sport Ireland and the FAI; I do not begrudge a penny of it as it was totally needed for women's football. There was an opportunity for leverage there to insist on that change. Does the Minister regret that he...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (16 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The Department could have done more, by insisting on a governance change, the very change that was sought in the Genesis report regarding the independence of members on the board. We got a document from the Department on 10 April 2019, telling us of changes that were likely to happen that would have pushed out changes on the board to 2022 and 2024. That was very tame, moving at the speed of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (16 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Does Mr. Treacy think that is a fair comparison?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (16 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I wish to flag some matters regarding the Mazars report. One of the big issues is that the 5% of funding coming through Sport Ireland is public money. We have a responsibility to hold Sport Ireland to account for it. There is also public money when it comes to merchandising, ticketing and so forth. A constant and understandable criticism is that the AGM is a closed affair. That must...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (16 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Several people have said-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Governance and Funding of Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (16 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: My last point is that several reports have been produced. The Mazars report appears to be a very extensive piece of work. There are also the Grant Thornton Ireland and Jonathan Hall Associates reports. There is oodles of legal advice. It was certainly available yesterday. A lot of money has been spent on that legal advice that should have been spent on sport. Other organisations should...

Written Answers — Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Garda Communications (17 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: 111. To ask the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform the duration remaining on a contract with a company (details supplied) for the provision of digital radio services to An Garda Síochána and other emergency services; if no concession agreement exists in respect of this contract; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [17950/19]

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