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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Football Association of Ireland (10 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Mr. Conway is telling me that he is confident-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Football Association of Ireland (10 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: That is not the same thing.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Football Association of Ireland (10 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I am not asking about processes but about transactions. Will the Grant Thornton review be looking at possible loans, credit cards or anything like that? Will it be looking at the totality of the association's financial transactions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Football Association of Ireland (10 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: How long more will Grant Thornton be in the FAI?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Football Association of Ireland (10 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The FAI has made some recent changes to its rules in respect of the role of the honorary treasurer, as per page 13, rule 18.6. Prior to these changes, the treasurer was responsible for establishing an audit committee but now the board has that responsibility. The responsibility has been taken away from the treasurer and has been extended to the board as a whole. Why was that rule change made?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Football Association of Ireland (10 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The FAI has taken the responsibility away from the treasurer exclusively and has given it to the board and the treasurer. As we heard earlier, the treasurer was not told of a major financial transaction.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Football Association of Ireland (10 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It is not my phone. It does not appear to have been spotted in the accounts either because it would have shown up. It came as a bolt out of the blue when it ended up in the public arena. Is that the case?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Football Association of Ireland (10 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Is Mr. Murray not embarrassed by how he was treated as the treasurer? If I were the treasurer of an organisation and I had not been told even though I had primary responsibility on the board, I would be furious.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Football Association of Ireland (10 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Unsatisfactory.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Football Association of Ireland (10 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: This is an organisation with a turnover of €50 million which was teetering on the edge and required a large short-term loan just to keep going. Mr. Murray finds it unsatisfactory.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Football Association of Ireland (10 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Did any of Mr. Murray's fellow board members raise a concern about the finances around that time to suggest that the association was tight for money?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Football Association of Ireland (10 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: There must have been a large hole in the middle of the report, given that the association needed a loan.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Football Association of Ireland (10 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It strikes me that the board is very passive. That is part of the reason the Genesis report indicated that there was a need to have independent people on the board to challenge it from time to time. The board must have been very passive if something like this went entirely unnoticed. Is that similar to Mr. Murray's experience with the board, or does the board challenge itself?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Football Association of Ireland (10 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Why was the loan not challenged?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Football Association of Ireland (10 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Some €100,000 found its way into the account but it was not noticed. Nobody told Mr. Murray, yet he stated it is a challenging board. It does not appear as though it is.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Football Association of Ireland (10 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I turn to the appointment made arising from the Jonathan Hall Associates report. Under the association's rules, it has a council, which is the supreme body and which holds AGMs. Was the council consulted about the change in governance and the splitting of the role of the CEO?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Football Association of Ireland (10 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It is a little more than that. It is a significant rule. It is stated on page 11 of the report that the council may fill any casual vacancy, as well as the offices of president, vice-president, honorary secretary, honorary treasurer and auditors, in accordance with the rules. It states the council elects the vice-president but does not state it elects the executive vice-president. It...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Football Association of Ireland (10 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Will the association's members have any role in that regard?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Football Association of Ireland (10 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I asked Mr. Delaney about whether the director of finance reported. Mr. Delaney stated he recalled asking the director of finance if the FAI had reporting or disclosure obligations arising out of the €100,000 payment. He has answered me the way he has answered me. Mr. Breen was then on the board. Did Mr. Breen-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Football Association of Ireland (10 Apr 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Was he not? There is a serious allegation in the newspaper today against one of the committee members. I wonder about the context to how this arose. Did Mr. Delaney at any point ask that this committee meeting not happen or state he desired it not to happen?

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