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Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

James Reilly: Yes.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

James Reilly: I will be. I made that very clear. That will be in the regulations on the form.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

James Reilly: That is why there is a reference to "a report" as opposed to "the report". More information will be made available to me. The executive shall produce "a report" that is published, but a much more-----

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

James Reilly: It is in the regulations. It is in the notifications I receive. It is not so much a regulation of a report, but the notifications that will contain the information that comes to me on a monthly basis in any event and which will have all that information on it.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

James Reilly: Section 20.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

James Reilly: I think I addressed this already when I said I did not propose to accept the amendment tabled by the Deputy. It would not be appropriate for a report of this type to contain the information specified by the Deputy. These are matters to be considered by medical practitioners involved in the formal review process only in light of their legal and constitutional obligations.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

James Reilly: I move amendment No. 73: In page 14, to delete lines 10 to 15 and substitute the following:"(3) In preparing a report under this section, the Executive shall exclude from the report information that identifies, or that could reasonably lead to the identification of--(a) a woman who has made an application under section 10(2) or in respect of whom such an application has been made by a person...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

James Reilly: I applaud the sentiment behind this amendment. It has been deemed out of order because of the consequences for the Exchequer but I hope that the Deputy will be reassured to know that women in Ireland are entitled to appropriate and comprehensive post-abortion care. Medical practitioners in Ireland have a duty to provide care, support and follow-up services for women who have an abortion...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

James Reilly: I accept the Deputy's suggestion and I will mention it on Report Stage. We should take every opportunity during the course of the debate on the Bill to emphasise the services that are there for people who may not be aware of them and who are possibly traumatised.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

James Reilly: That is a critically important point. It is well-made and well-intentioned but the obligation is absolutely on the individual, not on the institution. In some instances this individual could be a sole practitioner in general practice.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

James Reilly: We would be in dangerous territory if we started asking people at every interview about their conscientious objection status. It is unlikely to happen and I say this with trepidation but I know that some institutions that espouse a very Catholic ethos would be staffed by people who would not be bound by that ethos and who would have a different view of a woman in distress. I do not think it...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

James Reilly: In the instance to which Deputy Naughten referred, the hospital has to make arrangements that the woman is looked after and the service is delivered. I do not think we can get into being prescriptive in this Bill about how interviews are held in hospitals and how staff are recruited. We would be straying into a very dangerous area in employment law and everything else. I certainly do not...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

James Reilly: I am very pleased to inform the Deputy that as a consequence of the recently published report accepted by the Government on the formation of hospital groups, the scenario described will not pertain because within the groups there will be people who will have an obligation to travel to the hospital to perform those procedures and deliver those services if those normally present in a hospital...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

James Reilly: I move amendment No. 81: In page 15, line 8, to delete “may” and substitute “shall”.This amendment is solely aimed at amending the section to mirror the provisions made under the reporting system in section 20.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

James Reilly: I move amendment No. 83: In page 16, to delete lines 3 to 5 and substitute the following:“(b) whether the medical procedure was carried out in respect of the pregnant woman pursuant to a section 7 certification, section 8 certification (whether made before or after the medical procedure was carried out) or section 9 certification and the Medical Council registration number attached to...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

James Reilly: I move amendment No. 84: In page 16, line 14, to delete “year” and substitute the following:“year, and shall, as soon as may be after preparing the report, cause copies of the report to be laid before each House of the Oireachtas”.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

James Reilly: I move amendment No. 85: In page 16, to delete lines 15 to 20 and substitute the following:“(5) The Minister shall arrange for a report laid before both Houses of the Oireachtas in accordance with subsection (1) to be published in such form and manner as he or she thinks appropriate as soon as practicable after copies of the report are so laid. (6) In preparing a report under this...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

James Reilly: I move amendment No. 86: In page 16, line 21, to delete “a part” and substitute “or a part”.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

James Reilly: The amendments seek to remove the criminal sanction for a woman who unlawfully undergoes a termination of pregnancy. While I understand the Deputies' concern in this regard, it should be noted that, as it stands, a woman may be prosecuted for non-lawful abortion under the provisions of the Offences Against the Person Act 1861 which states any such woman shall be liable to be "kept in penal...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (3 Jul 2013)

James Reilly: Following a certification, or before a certification?

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