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Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Is there enough money available to cover everyone who applies?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: It is covered in total.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: The subvention to private and public services has been covered and I do not want to go back over old topics, but it is difficult to square the situation. In most private homes the subvention is €800 to €1,000 per month. In public homes the figure is €1,400. That is a lot of money and sounds extraordinary. During the by-election a few years ago I visited many private...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Why is there such a difference?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Is Mr. O'Brien referring to cheaper labour - cheaper nurses and doctors?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: I am from an agricultural background. Mr. Healy gave the figures on the domestic house - the 7% and 7.5% over three years. I have concerns about farmers who may be asset rich but cash poor. Such farmers probably have inherited assets and want to pass them on. There were changes in the budget. Can Mr. Healy give a brief outline on the agriculture end of it, from a farming point of view?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: What way is it assessed now? What happens in the case of two brothers who are not married? They may or may not have wills. If the owner of the land is incapacitated and is sick and brought to hospital, they are left frightened out of their lives that they will lose everything. I had one on to me yesterday.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Is it based on accounts or on the amount of land?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: It is based on accounts.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: I am glad to hear it is all based on income. I did not realise that. It is all based on income so the land has no bearing on it.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: So if the land is worth €500,000, is it taken at 7% over three years?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: That means that most farmers could have to sell land just to pay for it.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: It is over three years, I think; there is a length of time mentioned.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Why is it not capped at three years like a domestic house with a three-year cap at a maximum of 7%? Why is the land not capped at three years?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: That is a reason why farmers should be treated like that. The phrase, "fair deal" contains two nice words. It is a reason why a farm should not be sold off on the son to pay for it. It should be capped at three years. There should be the same fair deal for everyone and everyone should be treated equally.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: When will the review take place?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: When will the same rules apply to farms as to domestic houses?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Is the loan system the same for the farm as for the domestic house in that whoever inherits has to pay the loan off when the person dies?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: It is treated the same as a domestic house.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: I have some more questions. Perhaps my first is a question for HIQA rather than the Department. There were investigations that uncovered bad things happening in nursing homes, in Galway etc. Does the Department have any input or anything to say on those discoveries?

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