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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: What requirement is there from the Department that the part of the council that is held legally responsible has a role in selecting and overseeing those projects? Moreover, there is an audit committee in each local authority with at least two councillors on each audit committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: With respect, that can be very elastic. It can be used and interpreted in different ways. There is €200 million flowing from the Department to 31 local authorities. The members of local authorities are caught in a situation where they are completely sidelined. That is not true in all cases but councillors are completely sidelined and bypassed in many cases. They have no means of...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: As long as I have been around, the word "community" has been used to paper over all sorts of stuff. It can be a great word and a great concept but it is a much abused one. It is one of those fluffy words. I do not mean to be disrespectful in any way to Ms Hurley, but I am trying to point out to her that there is a huge issue. On the basis of Votes from the Dáil Chamber, public funds...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I do not mean this in any flippant way, but it might be useful to engage with the Association of Irish Local Government, AILG.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: It is a good organisation that represents not just members but local authorities overall. Tommy Moylan and Liam Kenny are the officials in it. That would be a good piece of work to do. From their point of view, it has put them in a predicament. The councillors sometimes have information that officials do not have. The officials may not even live in the county whereas local authority...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Only two members of the LCDC are held accountable by the public, the two councillors that are on it.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: And what about the system there?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: It becomes dated. Under the rural regeneration fund subhead in 2021, there was €58 million in gross expenditure. However, there was €99 million allocated. This means that €41 million was not spent. The explanation for this, which people will understand, is that a lot of work could not be done under the scheme as a result of Covid. My understanding is that the...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is it only for community use?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Was there a good drawdown in respect of it? I have no idea; there might have been applications for a lot more than was spent. Was there a reasonably good uptake on it? Was it all spent?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: How many projects were done in 2021?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: What was the average spend on them?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: This year, I understand a further 13 were announced through the town and village renewal scheme. Is that correct? It was specifically around vacant or derelict buildings, is that correct? In the current year.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: And am I correct that it is to allow local authorities to buy up to three properties?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: What can they be used for?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Could it be used to renovate old local authority properties such as an old courthouse or library? There are a few of those around the country.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Borris-in-Ossory is a case in point. There is some interesting work there with the old courthouse.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: It might be useful for the committee, and also for local authority members, to have a synopsis of all the different strands of funding and what they can be used for. More and more of these get announced. To be honest, if someone asked me, I would have to refer to something to find out which ones cover what. Could the Department supply the committee with the different funding streams for...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is Ms Hurley familiar with the concept of community wealth building?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: That is good. I was hoping we would be making a start on it. Ms Hurley will be aware that in some jurisdictions, including the other jurisdiction on the other part of this island which may be more advanced than we are on it. Preston in England has been involved in it for a few years. North Ayrshire was a bit slower to start. Has the Department met with any officials from Preston or North...

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