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Written Answers — Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth: Direct Provision System (30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: 54. To ask the Minister for Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth the actions his Department is taking to support those still in direct provision who have been naturalised to exit the system and integrate into society. [15170/23]

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I welcome everyone to this morning's meeting. No apologies have been received. Deputy Cormac Devlin may be late. Members and witnesses attending from within the committee room are asked to exercise personal responsibility to protect themselves and others from the risk of contracting Covid-19. Members of the committee attending remotely must continue to do so from within the precincts of...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I invite Ms Hurley to make her opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Could Ms Hurley supply data for all counties? It would be useful for the members.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: W have Ms Shakespeare from Pobal here this morning. Perhaps the Deputy wants to direct his question to her.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I thank Deputy Colm Burke and call Deputy Dillon.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: We will break for ten minutes and resume at 11.15 a.m. sharp.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I call Deputy Carthy.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: From what the Deputy is saying, a lot of work has to be done on that. We can point to rural transport and electric vehicle grants as a case in point. It is not that we are opposed to grants for electric vehicles, but we can see how it is militating against rural Ireland. We will move on to dogs. Ms Hurley said more dog wardens will be employed. Will they be employed by the local authority?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: One issue arises. During my time on a local authority, I saw that this work was contracted out to a particular body with service level agreements. The lines of accountability are very much flawed and blurred or maybe are weak or do not exist in some cases. I will ask Ms Hurley this question directly. Will dog wardens be contracted in or will they be employees of local authorities in order...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: That is what worries me.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Who are currently employed.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I might need to talk to Ms Hurley again about that.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: The dog wardens have a very difficult job. It is important that there be a straight line of accountability in respect of the substantial funding spent by some local authorities on dog wardens or bodies that are providing the dog wardens. I call Deputy Catherine Murphy.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I welcome the witnesses from the Department and Pobal. I have had some interaction with Pobal over the years as chairperson of Treo Nua in Portlaoise, with which are guests will be familiar. My experience has largely been positive. In respect of funding through local authorities, what is the total annual amount that went from the Department to local authorities in 2021 or 2022? I am...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: How much?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: An issue arises in that for legal purposes, a local authority is its elected members. They are legally accountable and accountable to the public. An issue arises, in that projects will be funded and the first local councillors may know about it is when they see a JCB on a site or when a member of the public doorsteps or buttonholes them to ask why they are spending money on that particular...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Rural regeneration would be one example.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Councillors do have a say under that scheme, by the way.

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