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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implications for Health Sector of United Kingdom's Withdrawal from the EU: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: There has always been such a shortage.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implications for Health Sector of United Kingdom's Withdrawal from the EU: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Has the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency - the HPRA equivalent in the UK - commented on allowing EU officials to make inspections? Are there any preliminary arrangements or is the UK agency staying quiet? This relates to regulatory alignment.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implications for Health Sector of United Kingdom's Withdrawal from the EU: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: On what basis did we choose to pair with the Scandinavians? Is it just that they were easier to talk to or are we more aligned with them with respect to formulations?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implications for Health Sector of United Kingdom's Withdrawal from the EU: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I thank the witnesses.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I have attended all the committee meetings on this issue so far. I am none the wiser as a result. It is absolutely shocking that the witnesses did not have the figures to hand. It seems obvious that we would ask for a breakdown between construction and other costs. Mr. Breslin was in this room with me yesterday at the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Health. It seemed very clear that the...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Absolutely. I am not suggesting the HSE should know how to do big projects. I am just saying that is what was decided. However, we now see that there was absolutely no point in having this board because it did not seem to have delivered on the competency in terms of keeping control of costs or watching how things were being done. It just seems shocking that a board would be in a position...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: There would be change of scope, as I described, inflation or VAT.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: That would be legislation that would change the price, essentially. Can the witness guarantee I will not be back here next year having the same conversation about why the price has increased to €3 billion? Is the GMP really the maximum price? Is Mr. Breslin giving a guarantee to the committee that unless scope is changed, inflation rockets or different taxation measures are...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I thank the witness. I asked Mr. Breslin at yesterday's meeting of the Committee on Health if we were getting a better product than we were on day one.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: The witness said that we were. Will he elaborate a bit on what is better?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: That has only happened recently. Why did we not get all those people in on day one? Why were those people not included in the competency-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: We do not need to go there. Those experts working in the area were pulled into the process, and that is why we are getting a better product for the children of Ireland than we were initially.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: We are waiting for figures to come back on the construction and non-construction costs. There was mention of €66 million in savings in the business case by Mr. Pollock. There was a tender of €637 million and the business case took off €66 million. How was that saved? The figure went from €637 million to €571 million but it hopped back up to €980...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: To clarify, there was a budget and all the tenders were over the budget so it was decided to descope, essentially, and bring down the price. Is that a correct analysis?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: They must not have been examined too closely at that point.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Okay. There would have been substitution of materials, so it was proposed to use stainless steel sinks instead of another type or change the floors, for example. The board thought it could save €66 million but it saved €20 million. The figure then went to €980 million. How did we go from the €20 million being saved to the €980 million figure?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I have enough paperwork so will the witness explain it to the committee please?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Was there originally a combustible material included?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: What was the impact of Grenfell? What was included before that was changed after the Grenfell fire?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: That was at the time, which was before the Grenfell fire.

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