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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Paul Kehoe: I welcome the guests. I will start with Mr. Grassick if he does not mind. Was he surprised by the recent statements of a leading horse trainer? Subsequently some of his statements were supported by another horse trainer.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Paul Kehoe: Has Mr. Grassick made contact with that leading horse trainer?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Paul Kehoe: As recently as he made his statements?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Paul Kehoe: Regarding the recent articles by Mr. Kimmage, Mr. Grassick has been defiant in his statements in saying "nothing to see here" and "move on". Would he rubbish Mr. Kimmage's articles?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Paul Kehoe: I understand, but I am asking Mr. Grassick whether he would personally, as head of the trainers' association, rubbish Mr. Kimmage's articles.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Paul Kehoe: There is a big difference between being disappointed and rubbishing them.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Paul Kehoe: What Mr. Grassick is saying to me, indirectly, is that he would rubbish his statements.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Paul Kehoe: Has a prohibitive substance ever been discovered in horse feed supplied to any of the trainers Mr. Grassick has known in recent times?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Paul Kehoe: I am sure there is a huge supply to Mr. Grassick and his organisation. Like Senator Daly said, we want to make sure that the high standards of this industry remain. What kind of research did the IRTA do when it discovered that prohibitive substances were discovered in horse feed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Paul Kehoe: What is Mr. Grassick's attitude to pre-race testing?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Paul Kehoe: Does the IRTA have zero tolerance towards prohibited drugs? Does it believe that the licence of a horse trainer should be removed forever if the trainer is caught with prohibited drugs? Is that necessary if we are to have very high standards in Irish horse racing? What are the views of Mr. Grassick on zero tolerance?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Paul Kehoe: What is the view of the IRTA on the role of CCTV at race tracks and their environs?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Paul Kehoe: Is the IHRB fit for purpose, given that CCTV systems are not in place? I acknowledge that Mr. Grassick is not a member of the IHRB but I am interested in his views on the matter because my understanding is that funding was made available for CCTV but it still has not been installed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Paul Kehoe: Should the IHRB have put the CCTV in place?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Paul Kehoe: To follow on from the points made by Senator Mullen, I know the IRTA has a representative on the IHRB but does Mr. Grassick consider the IHRB to be a closed shop? It receives more than €10 million of taxpayers' money but has no accountability and nobody knows what salaries are being paid to its employees. Does he think that is right?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Paul Kehoe: I wish to put on record that I am fully supportive of the industry. One of the reasons I sent the original correspondence to the committee was that when I saw all of this in the public domain, I knew there was only way to resolve it and that was to bring in representatives of all those involved in the industry to defend their position. I have always supported the horse and greyhound...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Paul Kehoe: What percentage of registered trainers are not members of the IRTA?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Paul Kehoe: I welcome the witnesses back to the committee. I wish to return to a question I asked Mr. Egan and Mr. Kavanagh previously. I am not sure if my question was fully understood. It concerns the issue of gallop fees. I am not sure if they fully understood. I am talking about fees paid by trainers to use the Curragh gallops. I want to find out how these are fees used and whether both Mr. Egan...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Paul Kehoe: Does Mr. Egan have anything to add on that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Paul Kehoe: We discussed at the previous session the IHRB accounts for 2018 and we spoke about the correction of €1.6 million. Considering it is July, where are the accounts for 2020? When the board is looking for best governance, best practice and everything like that, when does Mr. Egan expect that the accounts will be filed and why are they being delayed?

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