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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Too often when something fails we are told that it is a system failure. This is central to the kind of fragmented approach being taken. It is about processes and institutional gaps. The very least the HSE should have is a register. This issue is not exclusive to the HSE, however. It is something that cuts across various bodies. It may be something we could raise with the Department of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Where is this captured? There is a two-way relationship in respect of European Union money. We are now a net contributor. That is an aspect of it. Where is the oversight of it? A second aspect relates to fines. Do fines go through one Department? Have fines been levied in reality? Are they captured in individual departmental Estimates?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Excuse me. The statement is not on the screen and we do not have a hard copy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: How many were Part Vs?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Good morning. I want to pick up on the thread relating to the figures for new houses and where they were generated. I am looking at the document provided to the committee, Rebuilding Ireland - Social Housing Delivery 2018. A note at the bottom of a table on page 2 states: "Build refers to Local Authority and Approved Housing Body construction, including traditional construction, turnkeys,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Would Mr. McCarthy agree, therefore, that just over 1,050 were built directly by the 31 local authorities in 2018?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: So they were, yes. That makes it 1,200 houses plus the turnkey ones. In the coming days, can Mr. McCarthy give us a breakdown of those, perhaps by way of a note to the committee on costs per house by local authority, because there are different values in different parts of the country and we can consider the value-for-money aspect in that regard? When the Department provides these...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: But the sub-breakdown.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It is important that we see that. Mr. McCarthy stated that the new build figure was 85% up on 2017. What was the figure in 2017? What was the Department basing it on?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: How many of those were direct builds by local authorities, including regeneration?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Six hundred and twenty-six were built, then it was an 85% increase and we ended up with 1,200. It shows a bit of spin with the 85%, given the extent of the housing lists and the challenge ahead of us. It gives the impression that we are getting ahead of a crisis. We could do without presenting it in that way because it is not a fair reflection on the extent of the crisis and how that...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I will stop Mr. McCarthy there because I have limited time. It is probably the Minister I need to address. Essentially, Mr. McCarthy is dealing with what the Department has been given in terms of funding and he is stating that the Department is meeting its targets.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Okay. I will skip through a few different aspects of the report. I refer to Traveller accommodation in the Appropriation Account 2017, Vote 34, A5 housing inclusion supports, which states "Savings of €4.2 million arose on traveller accommodation as a number of capital projects did not progress as anticipated." Have they progressed since because that relates to the account of 2017?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Did the projects that could not proceed in 2017, that were accounted for by the €4.2 million, proceed in 2018?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Do we know how many?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It is not a huge amount of money in the context of the budget. How many projects accounted for the €4.2 million?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Can Mr. McCarthy provide a note on the list of projects outlining the position, both in 2018 and now?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: That is fine, if Mr. McCarthy sends us a note. I am merely trying to be efficient with the time available to me. Going back to Rebuilding Ireland, I wonder about the estimate for the Rebuilding Ireland home loan, which is a welcome initiative. Where did the estimate of €200 million over three years come from? Kildare, Fingal, Meath and Waterford, for example, have all exhausted...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Is further analysis being done on how that has played out?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I presume that will work its way into policy.

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