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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Are homeowners precluded if they have had work done? We are talking about value for money and it is hugely costly if windows are not done.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is there a rule that homeowners are precluded?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: To be clear, is that under the better energy warmer home scheme, where there is fuel poverty but also under the 80% scheme, which is called the better energy scheme?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I call Deputy Dillon and we will take a break after that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: We will take a short break for ten minutes. There will be second round of questions.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: We have apologies from Deputy James O'Connor. Have the witnesses managed to get figures for the deep retrofit waiting time?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: That is okay. It is hoped we will have him back by the end of the meeting. I ask the witnesses to check with him if he comes back in. The target for retrofits is 50,000 by 2030. Last week I got an answer to a parliamentary question which outlined that in order to meet that target, we need to do 40,000 each year between 2023 and 2025 and 75,000 each year between 2026 and 2030. That is...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: The parliamentary question reply also stated that 8,481 retrofits were completed in 2022. That was in the reply. The target is 40,000 for the next two years and 75,000 from 2025 to 2030.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: The figure in the reply to the parliamentary question is 8,481.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: We would have to increase that fivefold to even reach the targets for the next two years. For the following years, we would have to increase it nearly tenfold. Multiplied by ten would be 1,000%.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: The year prior was during Covid-19. We accept the SEAI was constrained trying to get into houses when Covid-19 was rampant.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: They are the targets. There is an €8 billion fund. Is there any hope of reaching the 40,000 target this year or 40,000 next year?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: The total given was 40,000, with 40,000 each year between 2023 and 2025.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Will some of those be achieved by the better energy warmer homes scheme?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: And also the one item ones?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: In 2011, 90,000 shallow retrofits were done, which I take to mean they were done under the better energy warmer homes to alleviate fuel poverty. Many of them involved attics and walls being pumped. By 2020, that had fallen to 62,000. In 2022, it was 10,000. I accept the pent-up demand, but an estimate was given some time back of up to 500,000 homes still needing some level of basic...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: There is still a substantial demand for that. We have gone from 90,000 on that scheme down to 10,000 in 2022. That is a significant drop, by any standard. I asked if there was a shift of focus away from those for lower-income households to deep retrofits for €50,000 or €60,000. Retrofits under the better energy warmer homes scheme, for homes in fuel poverty, have been shown,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Do you have a figure for better energy warmer homes?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Just before Dr. Byrne came back in, I asked a question about Deputy Munster's question regarding deep retrofits and the waiting time for approval and the process. Was he able to get that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Can that be done in the next two weeks, please?

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