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Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: I have mentioned a very serious accusation against the Irish Prison Service penalising-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: -----a staff member, for which the service was found guilty by a court and now we are hiding and circling the wagons. Is the Irish Prison Service appealing that court decision?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Can Ms McCaffrey confirm that the Prison Service is appealing the sexual harassment case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: What policy exists within the Prison Service to protect a discloser or complainant against reprisals?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Does the Prison Service appeal those cases as a matter of form?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Okay, so if it is winnable let us win it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Has the Prison Service ever not appealed a case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: We do not want him to mention any individual case if there was just one.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Is the word "compassion" ever considered?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: I will come in again later.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Can I come in there just for a second-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: -----and just point out-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: It is a point of order. I am sure Deputy Hourigan will be allowed the time. There is no shouting down.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Two things as a matter of fact. First of all, Committees of Public Accounts run from term to term so the records of previous committees stand. I am a former member, as is the Acting Chairman, as is Deputy Munster. We raised very important issues here to do with sexual harassment of women-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: -----and we are entitled to follow up on it. If Deputy Hourigan does not have a briefing on it, it is a matter for her to read the transcript.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: To come in here to grandstand and participate in throwing somebody who was sexually harassed under the bus, and people who are being abused who have put in protected disclosures-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Read the transcripts of other meetings if you want to brief yourself.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: No, I will not. I am not responsible for your inability to check transcripts. Sort your own work out in advance. I flagged at our very first meeting this matter was coming up and so it has.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: On that, the Comptroller and Auditor General alluded to the fact that the change in profits could be seen. When the controls were put in, did profits go up?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Was Mr. McCarthy in a position to view audited accounts such that he was able to deduce this from each-----

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