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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. O'Brien only carried out this examination in the very recent past. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Yes but the examination to determine why was only carried out recently.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: When?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. O'Brien's examination was during that time. He was looking at the subsidiaries and most did not have any problem with regard to pensions.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: He just identified one that had a problem and then he tried to find out why. What were the blocks to finding out why?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Is that acceptable?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I thought everything had changed in the university and that there was now a culture of openness.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. O'Brien said that he could not get the information, which leaves me a bit lost. He was asking for the information just a few months ago as to what happened but from whom was he seeking the information?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: He could not get any information from those people-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I thought Mr. McCarthy was going to jump in to help Mr. O'Brien.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I thank Mr. O'Brien. I started by saying that reading the chapter left me speechless. I am not going to get into the issue of the whistleblowers because I do not believe it is appropriate for me to do so. That said, it is on record that the first whistleblower was never facilitated with a return back. Would Professor Fitzpatrick accept that?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Yes and that person was never facilitated in terms of coming back to the university. She has given her name openly. My understanding is that she was facilitated with sick leave and with leaving but was never given the option of coming back.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: We have heard from her but separate from that, I have read everything and I understand it. I do not want to go into the minutiae of different members of staff. I am looking at it from an overall perspective. We are here today with all these reports because of the whistleblowers and their persistence. We are here because of the "Prime Time Investigates" programme and because of the reports...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I wish to refer to the students now. I am no expert on this and have not had time to look at it closely. Professor Fitzgerald responded to one of my colleagues on the issue of student records. Different reports have been prepared on the student records and whether they are fit for purpose. Reports have been prepared on the system that is being used and I understand that the system in UL...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Has that replaced another system that was unique to the university?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: So it has been there since 1998-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Various analyses of the system have been conducted since then. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Was that examining a previous report?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Deloitte looked at a previous report and its 2015 report is the most recent one on the system.

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