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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Mr. Kelly is the head of the audit function.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: His independence is absolutely central and the co-operation of the Garda Síochána is taken as read. Nobody has any authority to tell him that they will not furnish to him the material he requires. Is that the case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Was anybody disciplined or taken to task for this? Was the superintendent challenged for refusing to provide Mr. Kelly with the material he legitimately required?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Who is Mr. Kelly's boss?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: The deputy commissioner, Mr. Ó Cualáin, was not in place at the time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Did Mr. Kelly make a complaint to whoever was in the job at the time that he was being obstructed?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I have no reason to question Mr. Kelly's professional competence but he should not have to pause on that question. If he was aware that a report had been prepared, he was the auditor and the buck stops with him. He had an obligation to pursue that matter through his line manager and to ensure that he got whatever figures he needed.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I regard that as a failing on his part as auditor. Mr. Kelly was asking questions in 2008 and 2009 but was obstructed. Did he stop asking questions?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Did he stop asking questions through 2010, 2011, etc?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Of whom was Mr. Kelly asking questions?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Why was it deleted?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Mr. Kelly needs to be succinct.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: That is extraordinary. It is an extraordinarily muddled, long-winded, awkward, crazy account of how one would go about one's business, as an organisation or as an auditor. That is the dog ate my homework type of excuse. The witness is seeking information, and he is not seeking it without due cause-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: -----not least because it was his job to do it. He is not getting it and he is all around the houses for a period of years. Of course, he could not verify what was going on in the college because he does not have the basis to do it. There are memoranda and communications flying left, right and centre. What strikes me is that while all these little diversionary skirmishes are taking place,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Who was the Commissioner at the time? Was it Mr. Murphy?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Mr. Kelly got an assurance from the then Commissioner-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: He said, "Relax, Niall, everything is fine. These matters are being attended to."

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Was that not very misleading of the then Commissioner?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am not inviting Mr. Kelly to-----

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