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Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6 - Expenditure under a Maintenance Contract
2019 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(11 Nov 2020)

Marc MacSharry: I have been involved in many. I do not like cutting Mr. Buckley off, but since our last-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6 - Expenditure under a Maintenance Contract
2019 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(11 Nov 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Let us start with the answer this time instead of the introduction.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6 - Expenditure under a Maintenance Contract
2019 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(11 Nov 2020)

Marc MacSharry: I only have two minutes left.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6 - Expenditure under a Maintenance Contract
2019 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(11 Nov 2020)

Marc MacSharry: The reality is that this money is gone. Is that correct? Legally, we have no recourse.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6 - Expenditure under a Maintenance Contract
2019 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(11 Nov 2020)

Marc MacSharry: On what basis?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6 - Expenditure under a Maintenance Contract
2019 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(11 Nov 2020)

Marc MacSharry: There is a question over €1.3 million. We established that Mr. Buckley okayed the signing of the lease. We established at the meeting in October 2018 that in February 2017 the OPW's chartered surveyor advised him that it had to be recalibrated. We put this deal in the hedge of our own during. I asked Mr. Buckley at the time whether there was any disciplinary process afoot, and he...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6 - Expenditure under a Maintenance Contract
2019 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(11 Nov 2020)

Marc MacSharry: The old five minutes is intolerable. We are all stuck in the old Covid world now. It means I cut in on Mr. Buckley and all of that stuff. Apart from the big wins on Miesian Plaza, unfortunately, we are here to talk about the bad news, such is the nature of this committee. At the previous meeting, Mr. Buckley mentioned that in negotiations the OPW would have to determine whether the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6 - Expenditure under a Maintenance Contract
2019 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(11 Nov 2020)

Marc MacSharry: I just have to comment on it, again, because of the experience I have in it. It does not surprise me that engagement is cordial. I would be surprised if they are not wheeling out the Château Pétrus every time the OPW comes around because they are getting €344,000 extra a month We are on the hook and I worry that money is gone. We will still be here, halfway through the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6 - Expenditure under a Maintenance Contract
2019 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(11 Nov 2020)

Marc MacSharry: On another issue, and while I appreciate Mr. Buckley is bound by the directions of the Department that is looking for various properties, we bought a site at Caltragh in Sligo for a new Garda station which was to be part of a bundle of three Garda stations with Clonmel and Macroom in Cork. Is it the Garda Commissioner who directs that we do not need anymore? Is it the Secretary General of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6 - Expenditure under a Maintenance Contract
2019 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(11 Nov 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Did the Garda Commissioner lift the phone to say that we are not going ahead with that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6 - Expenditure under a Maintenance Contract
2019 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(11 Nov 2020)

Marc MacSharry: I understand all that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6 - Expenditure under a Maintenance Contract
2019 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(11 Nov 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Understood. Were Clonmel and Macroom thrown under the bus as well?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6 - Expenditure under a Maintenance Contract
2019 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(11 Nov 2020)

Marc MacSharry: So the loser is Sligo. Was there any mention in the discussions that they wanted to divert the resources relevant to the proposed Sligo development in favour of a development at Portlaoise?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6 - Expenditure under a Maintenance Contract
2019 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(11 Nov 2020)

Marc MacSharry: It is just because it will help us when we have the Garda in. It was just a clear, "We are not going ahead with that project."

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6 - Expenditure under a Maintenance Contract
2019 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(11 Nov 2020)

Marc MacSharry: I suppose Mr. Watt would put the purchase of the site, at €1.35 million, down as another learning experience, would he?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6 - Expenditure under a Maintenance Contract
2019 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(11 Nov 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Sure. There was much lobbying from me and others for the same. What is the plan for that site now?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6 - Expenditure under a Maintenance Contract
2019 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(11 Nov 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Sorry, yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6 - Expenditure under a Maintenance Contract
2019 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(11 Nov 2020)

Marc MacSharry: I did not say it was a loss. I just asked what are we going to do with it now.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6 - Expenditure under a Maintenance Contract
2019 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(11 Nov 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Will I lash through questions and let the witnesses respond?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6 - Expenditure under a Maintenance Contract
2019 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(11 Nov 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Can I read out four questions? The witnesses can revert.

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