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Seanad: Garda Síochána Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (7 Dec 2004)

Terry Leyden: The reserve force would be part of the community and its members would live in it. The Minister's idea is to recruit the reserve force from within the community. The Minister is reasonable in his approach. The Senator's points are worth considering, particularly with regard to built up areas in cities where it is hard to get accommodation. It would be worth investigating.

Seanad: Garda Síochána Bill 2004: Committee Stage (Resumed). (8 Dec 2004)

Terry Leyden: I support the amendment. Senator Jim Walsh made a very strong case to the Minister on the subject of local authority representation on the policing boards. It is very important that local authority members are involved as opposed to representatives of subsidiary local authority organisations. Local authority organisations include county development, enterprise and other boards, but the...

Seanad: Garda Síochána Bill 2004: Committee Stage (Resumed). (8 Dec 2004)

Terry Leyden: I understand the case being made by Senator Cummins in trying to ensure that these new arrangements would be reflected in negotiations with the representative associations. The Garda Commissioner would carry out these consultations. Including the provision in the legislation might be too rigid but it is important that we voice that concern here. I support the amendment because the principle...

Seanad: Garda Síochána Bill 2004: Committee Stage (Resumed). (8 Dec 2004)

Terry Leyden: The amendment is worthwhile and it must be ensured the committees are established. The word "may" is weak whereas "shall" is much stronger. I sympathise with the Minister of State, having been in the same position many times in the House. Perhaps he is anxious to change this. I suggest the Minister insert the word "shall". I would welcome that because it would ensure this will happen. If it...

Seanad: Garda Síochána Bill 2004: Committee Stage (Resumed). (8 Dec 2004)

Terry Leyden: The Minister of State is putting his best case forward in this regard. However, seldom do we have such agreement in the House on amendments.

Seanad: Garda Síochána Bill 2004: Committee Stage (Resumed). (8 Dec 2004)

Terry Leyden: The Minister of State will do so. That is why he is such an eminent senior counsel. The word "may" has been an issue in legislation before. The Minister of State may come up with a better word than "shall". He could use the Minister "will" which is also a strong word. There is tremendous support in the House and throughout the country and among local authority members, whom we represent, for...

Seanad: Garda Síochána Bill 2004: Committee Stage (Resumed). (8 Dec 2004)

Terry Leyden: This is important. The Minister of State has said he will come up with some ingenious response which I await with great interest. It is the first time in a debate on proposed legislation in the House that we have had so much support for changing one word. I know the Minister of State would, in his heart of hearts, favour this measure which I suggest he could introduce on Report Stage. We will...

Seanad: Garda Síochána Bill 2004: Committee Stage (Resumed). (8 Dec 2004)

Terry Leyden: If Senator Cummins puts it to a vote, he would put us in a very embarrassing position.

Seanad: Garda Síochána Bill 2004: Committee Stage (Resumed). (8 Dec 2004)

Terry Leyden: There is a tradition of gardaí attending joint meetings with local authorities on road safety and speed limits issues. These have not met very often but this provision will ensure that these issue will be decided upon and agreed with the committee as part of its responsibility.

Seanad: Garda Síochána Bill 2004: Committee Stage (Resumed). (8 Dec 2004)

Terry Leyden: We are due to resume Committee Stage at 11.15 a.m. tomorrow, 9 December.

Seanad: Garda Síochána Bill 2004: Committee Stage (Resumed). (8 Dec 2004)

Terry Leyden: I will be brief. In section 31 there is mention of Members of Dáil Éireann but no mention of Members of Seanad Éireann. I ask the Minister of State to include the word "Oireachtas" in the section by way of an amendment on Report Stage. I suggest that section 31(2)(b) be changed to insert after the words "local authority, members of Dáil Éireann", the words "and Seanad Éireann resident...

Seanad: Garda Síochána Bill 2004: Committee Stage (Resumed). (8 Dec 2004)

Terry Leyden: No, but it is important. The term "Members of the Oireachtas" would cover those. In fairness, there is a right to be heard. Senators would have a broad objective. Should he wish to be more specific the Minister of State could include the word "resident". I compliment Senator Jim Walsh on this. He has put in a great deal of work behind the scenes with the Minister in discussing a formulation....

Seanad: Order of Business. (9 Dec 2004)

Terry Leyden: I compliment the Taoiseach and Prime Minister Blair on a wonderful presentation yesterday. We have come so far that both Prime Ministers are equal. Their body language at the press conference was a credit to all concerned. Perhaps we can look forward to the First Minister of Northern Ireland addressing the House next year. I hope there will be a peaceful Christmas in the North and that there...

Seanad: Garda Síochána Bill 2004: Committee Stage (Resumed). (9 Dec 2004)

Terry Leyden: I thank the Minister and the Minister of State, Deputy Brian Lenihan, who was here yesterday and gave a very good account of himself which was very much in keeping with the principle of the Bill. I compliment the Minister on bringing area committees into being. It is a most innovative idea. I note what the Minister said, that he wants to make them work well and he referred to his own area in...

Seanad: Garda Síochána Bill 2004: Committee Stage (Resumed). (9 Dec 2004)

Terry Leyden: The requirement of the attendance of a superintendent is commendable but, in many cases, he or she may not be available and have to delegate to an inspector, for instance. This provision is better suited to regulations rather than legislation. It is far better to have such minute details and requirements in regard to attendance dealt with in such a manner. It is also important that, where a...

Seanad: Garda Síochána Bill 2004: Committee Stage (Resumed). (9 Dec 2004)

Terry Leyden: Arrangements can be made to meet at appropriate times and that should not be dictated by whether Members of the Dáil are available. If a Deputy wishes to attend the meeting, he or she has the right to do so. It is very important that Members of the Oireachtas would have the opportunity to attend those meetings, where practicable. Section 31 resonates with another section 31, which was...

Seanad: Garda Síochána Bill 2004: Committee Stage (Resumed). (9 Dec 2004)

Terry Leyden: If the Chair were being elected they would be down there.

Seanad: Garda Síochána Bill 2004: Committee Stage (Resumed). (9 Dec 2004)

Terry Leyden: I support the amendment in principle. The Bill is flawed in not having a representative from the Garda Representative Association or the Association of Garda Sergeants and Inspectors on the audit committee. A submission was made, arguing for one person, designated by the Garda representative bodies, to represent their interests on the committee. I do not see the rationale behind having a...

Seanad: Garda Síochána Bill 2004: Committee Stage (Resumed). (9 Dec 2004)

Terry Leyden: It would help to meet the Bill's objective and make matters more transparent to the 10,000 members of the force. Membership will be 14,000 when the Minister is finished. This is a sizeable number of people to be without a representative on the committee. I will go along with the Minister but I suggest the amendment should be considered as it will not take from the Bill. The Minister knows...

Seanad: Garda Síochána Bill 2004: Committee Stage (Resumed). (9 Dec 2004)

Terry Leyden: The Bill allows for the Minister to nominate a member of the audit committee. This would not preclude the Minister or his successors from appointing a member of the force thereto. This will ensure that the nominee will not be representing an organisation but will be an experienced and respected member of the force, past or present. This provision does not state that the nominee cannot be a...

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