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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I know Professor Fitzgerald is a new president and in his second year. I read the report. Is it correct that the narrative changed as to how this was facilitated?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Exactly. I agree with the first part of that. What comes across is that a way was found to facilitate the two persons at any cost. It did not matter. There were considerable gaps. It started in 2007 and went forward. There was a three and a half year gap to where it was discussed. When one reads the chapter on what happened from 2007 to 2012, the governance issue, namely who was...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Was it cost-neutral?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Was it?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: What was the difference? What was the cost to the public purse?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Has the revised code of governance been finalised?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: The report was published in August 2018 and the answer provided in it stated the code was being finalised. We are now in January. When will it be finalised?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Will it be this month or next month?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: The Comptroller and Auditor General recommended the university should examine all its subsidiary companies. The response to that was to be completed by the end of December 2018. Has that been completed?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: How many subsidiary companies?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: How many subsidiary companies have been reviewed?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: How many? What is the number?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I am sorry, but can the witness repeat that?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Was UCD alumni a separate subsidiary company?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: The witness will have to help me with this. The university carried out a review of the subsidiaries, which total six.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Is that the total number of subsidiaries?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Can the witnesses just answer my question? They are the experts. I have only limited time and limited knowledge.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: The president talked about bringing back confidence, and that is exactly what we want. There were whistleblowers before the committee during the week. It is very difficult to hear about the ongoing pain and anguish of those whistleblowers. I cannot go into detail, and I do not wish to, but we have listened and read. When I ask a question on how many companies have been reviewed I expect...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: A minute ago Mr. O'Brien said it was not and that there were other subsidiary companies with no staff.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Not now on my time. The witness can provide a note-----

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