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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: That is a little bit disingenuous on the Chairman's part.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: It is and you should allow me to say why. It was your request that we have this hearing. I did not seek it. You did. One of the reasons you sought it, which you stated at the last meeting, was that journalists submitted freedom of information, FOI, requests and were not given the information.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Okay but I still think it is valid for us to have an understanding of why it is omitted under the FOI legislation and maybe to get legal advice on it. I do not have a difficulty if it was policy decision or even if it was unconstitutional. That is fine. I just want a legal opinion on why it is the case. I am not agreeing or disagreeing. I am just looking for the logic behind it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: I fully appreciate the reason the audit committee was not established. I am not even going to go there. I would like to just ask Mr. McCarthy the genesis of putting an audit committee in place. Up to 2013 there was none there. Obviously at some point, a decision was made that we would put one in place. Where did that decision come from and how did it evolve?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: How many sit on this audit committee?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Is that including the chair?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Are they all based in the Áras?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: There are three members, including the chair. Do they meet monthly or quarterly?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: May I make one request? It might be useful for us for future sittings as well. I do not know who could do this, but could we get an accountability chart in terms of who is responsible for what? We have Mr. Fraser, who is the Accounting Officer for one element of the spend. We are told we have maybe seven other accountable officers. May we have a breakdown of what they are accountable...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: I think it would be straightforward. It would just be a matter of who would do it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: That is fine.

Written Answers — Department of Health: Pharmacy Regulations (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: 130. To ask the Minister for Health the definition of temporary absence arrived at by an organisation (details supplied) with the permission of his Department in the case of pharmaceutical assistants; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [39153/18]

Written Answers — Department of Health: Pharmacy Regulations (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: 131. To ask the Minister for Health the evidential research that was used to substantiate the definition of temporary absence for pharmaceutical assistants arrived at by an organisation (details supplied) with the permission of his Department; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [39154/18]

Written Answers — Department of Health: Pharmacy Regulations (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: 132. To ask the Minister for Health the tasks a pharmaceutical assistant may not perform during their temporary absence; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [39155/18]

Written Answers — Department of Health: Pharmacy Regulations (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: 133. To ask the Minister for Health the conflicts that arise between the definition of temporary absence arrived at by an organisation (details supplied) with the permission of his Department for use with pharmaceutical assistants and public safety issues; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [39156/18]

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Will the Comptroller and Auditor General tell us what the rules are around institutes of technology and deficits? My understanding is that they are not meant to be in deficit.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: From where does Mr. McCarthy's statement that there should not be deficits derive? Is it in law?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Is this through guidelines?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Therefore they are in breach of a direction of the Department.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: I understand that, I am just trying to establish the fault. There is a direction from the Department that the institutes of technology should not be in deficit yet some of them have accumulated deficits over a long period.

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