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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Hospital Services: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: To be fair, Dr. Gilligan knows that is not what I meant.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Hospital Services: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: I know.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Hospital Services: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: Members of my own family were injured.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: Before Vicky Phelan.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: It means that there are more than 221 women. There are other issues.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: Good question. We might get to the nub of it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: It is a wonder it was not volunteered beforehand. It is like pulling teeth.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: Absolutely. I could not agree more. It will get worse.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: For clarification, I was in the Chair and Mr. Breen gave figures. However, whether it is clear that they were broken down in the manner in which the Deputy asked is the real issue.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: We will clear it up now.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: Fair play to the Deputy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: I can think of loads of them in Thurles.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: I have three questions, two on CervicalCheck and one on the Ireland Strategic Investment Fund. One is a follow-up to that of Deputy O'Brien, whose questioning was very revealing. Deputy O'Connell and I are on the health committee and the Committee of Public Accounts and we have gone through this intricately for months. I have probably attended eight to ten committee meetings on the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: Can Mr. Breen come back to us-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: Did any of them involve laboratories?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: First, could Mr. Breen come back to the committee within a week and break down what they are? Second, could he come back to us and clarify - because Deputy O'Brien's probing is important here - whether any of these involve any of the CervicalCheck laboratories? That is the way in which we will ask for them to be broken down.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: Two weeks so.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: We will give the agency three weeks if it wants them but I find it offensive and wrong to say it would take three weeks to just go and look at 17 files and say "this is in this category...". There are people and families watching this who would find it bizarre and wrong that it would take three weeks for a public servant to go through 17 files and say "this gets into this category." There...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: We will give the agency three weeks. I do not agree with Mr. Breen but we will give the agency three weeks. Mr. Breen might continue with the answers to my questions.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: Were there any confidentiality agreements?

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