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Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: I did not say that. That is the third time the Senator has misrepresented me.Will I read the paragraph again?

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: The Senator read it twice already and then proceeded to misquote it, so I expect him to do the same again.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: It is of no concern to the Senator. It is on the brief.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: It is of no concern to the Senator who is on his feet. He should continue.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: We are seeing another side of the House.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: That is fake news.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: I will deal with Senator McDowell. He does not need Senator Norris to act as his parrot.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: It was a phantom Bill.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: It was a phantom Bill.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: What are the Senator's views on President Craughwell?

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: It is the body that makes the senior appointments.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: I am aware of that. Regarding the penultimate point raised by Senator McDowell, the Public Appointments Service, PAS, is a statutory body under the Public Service Management (Recruitment and Appointments) Act 2004. It is different from the Commission for Public Service Appointments. It is established under section 11 of that Act and is widely used to facilitate the appointment of persons...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: They are appointed under the 2004 Act, and the board has been in existence for some time. As to who appoints them, the process is independent of the Government. The board acts independently. It was most recently involved in assisting the Policing Authority with the recruitment to the high-level public service job of the Garda Commissioner designate.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: I would allay any concern that Members might have. Regarding the point about GRECO, the independence of the PAS needs to be stressed. It is independent from the Government in the performance of its role, function and duties. I will refer briefly to the issue of the GRECO report, about which we have heard so much in the course of this afternoon's debate. I was pleased to be in a position...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: One of the key points that has been made this afternoon is that Ireland is in some way out of line with European and international norms. However, no one whom I heard making that point shed any great light on what international and European norms are. I will explain why that is the case - there is no universal international norm. Nor is there any binding international or European norm. As...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: I appreciate the time being made available.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: I was dealing with the report of GRECO. I am very pleased that Senators have had an opportunity to give consideration to the report in the context of where we are in the debate. Having read the GRECO report in its entirety and its earlier drafts, as I did, it seems clear that the Bill before us increases judicial independence rather than attempting to reduce it. The Bill proposes a reduced...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: -----of Government. I mentioned to Senator McDowell - I am not sure whether Senator Norris was present - that the chair of the Public Appointments Service is retired Secretary General, Mr. Tom Moran. His board, the full particulars of which I would be happy to lay before the House, includes Mr. Eddie Molloy and other persons with a strong track record in public service. The CEO is Ms Fiona...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: I will say-----

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: The independent, non-judicial, non-legal chairman of the Judicial Appointments Commission in England and Wales is none other than Professor Lord Ajay Kakkar who is, among other things, a professor of surgery in University College London. He may be someone to whom Senator Craughwell might defer if he has a difficulty with his own medical scheme, which is perhaps-----

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