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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (6 Mar 2019)

Eoghan Murphy: Let us step back. I am taking my time to answer the question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (6 Mar 2019)

Eoghan Murphy: The Deputy waves this memo and says I have been causing confusion. I am telling him I do not know what the memo is and that it did not come from my Department, and that is what I have been informed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (6 Mar 2019)

Eoghan Murphy: I am telling the Deputy that memo did not come from my Department.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (6 Mar 2019)

Eoghan Murphy: I do not have the memo. It is not my memo.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (6 Mar 2019)

Eoghan Murphy: The FOI was released by the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, not by my Department. It is not my memo.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (6 Mar 2019)

Eoghan Murphy: The Deputy is trying to cause confusion.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (6 Mar 2019)

Eoghan Murphy: I will finish answering the question so we are sure of where we are. I have just answered the point on the memo. There is a time lag between approvals and drawdown. Not every loan that is approved will be drawn down, for various reasons.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (6 Mar 2019)

Eoghan Murphy: In Dublin a lot of approvals have been given where people could not find a house that was affordable under the scheme and so the loan was not drawn down. Different things happen in different parts of the country and people's circumstances change even in that six-month window. I accept there is duplication in the system because people apply to different local authorities depending on where...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (6 Mar 2019)

Eoghan Murphy: Yes. However, we estimate about 20% of these are duplicates, which further brings down the number that could be drawn down. We also reckon, due to historical data to date, that the conversion rate would be below 75%, which brings us to a potential drawdown level in terms of approvals already given of €186 million. However, the actual drawdown level is €107 million. That is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (6 Mar 2019)

Eoghan Murphy: I made it clear. When it became clear how this had improved over the back end of last year and we reached 50% drawdown, I was very clear in saying it had been more successful than anticipated. I have been saying this until I am blue in the face and the Deputy has been ignoring me.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (6 Mar 2019)

Eoghan Murphy: That was always the case.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (6 Mar 2019)

Eoghan Murphy: We did not create that confusion. The Deputy did.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (6 Mar 2019)

Eoghan Murphy: Local authorities are still to accept applications - of course they are. The fund is still open. That is a matter for the credit committees and the Housing Agency.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (6 Mar 2019)

Eoghan Murphy: With regard to whether people have heard from their local authority that it is not accepting applications, an engagement began this morning to contact those ten local authorities to make sure they can still accept applications despite the confusion that was caused.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (6 Mar 2019)

Eoghan Murphy: We are in discussions with the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. It is true to say the scheme will require more money because it has been more successful, and that is what I am discussing with the Minister for Finance and Public Expenditure and Reform at the moment.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (6 Mar 2019)

Eoghan Murphy: To repeat what I said earlier about homelessness, there are more people in emergency accommodation today than there were a year ago. It is very difficult for those people who have gone into emergency accommodation in the past year. In the same period, thousands of people have left emergency accommodation and others were prevented from entering it as a result of the solutions we put in...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (6 Mar 2019)

Eoghan Murphy: Yes, or were prevented from going into such accommodation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (6 Mar 2019)

Eoghan Murphy: I am sorry but the number of 5,100 takes account of exits and preventions. I am not disputing the fact that there are more adults, children and families in emergency accommodation because we still have a crisis with homelessness. It is why we continue to develop new policy responses and allocate new money. The inter-agency group work is so important to ensure that our response is the right...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (6 Mar 2019)

Eoghan Murphy: Could the Deputy point to something I have not done which he believes I should have? We are trying to help people.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (6 Mar 2019)

Eoghan Murphy: We had an informal meeting on it recently and the Bill is being progressed.

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