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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funds
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 7: The Housing Agency’s Revolving Acquisition Fund
(26 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: We obviously do not have an effective one.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funds
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 7: The Housing Agency’s Revolving Acquisition Fund
(26 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: Even the smaller local authorities have many people with a science background, including engineers. Would it not be simple for random tests to be done or for companies to supply a sample? There are not that many in a given local authority area in order to display a sample. As I said, think of whoever is here in 25 years' time. We now sit here with a bill for €2.5 billion, that is,...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funds
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 7: The Housing Agency’s Revolving Acquisition Fund
(26 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: That is fine. That will be an office which will be staffed. What I am saying is that out on the ground where it matters, there is a concrete plant and a construction site. The concrete is made in the concrete plant and goes to the construction site. I am saying this by way of being helpful. I saw it in operation. There has to be a simple way of dealing with this. There have to be tests...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funds
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 7: The Housing Agency’s Revolving Acquisition Fund
(26 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: Yes but when you remove it from the coalface-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funds
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 7: The Housing Agency’s Revolving Acquisition Fund
(26 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: Employed by whom?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funds
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 7: The Housing Agency’s Revolving Acquisition Fund
(26 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: Let us be honest about it, they do not have a laboratory on every construction site. That is the problem. If someone is building a one-off he or she will not have that. The product has to be tested at the concrete plant. You have lost it-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funds
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 7: The Housing Agency’s Revolving Acquisition Fund
(26 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: At the concrete plant?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funds
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 7: The Housing Agency’s Revolving Acquisition Fund
(26 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: What I am saying is there have to be samples and the local authority is probably best because it is the closest to it and has engineers. I am saying that the Department must look at this. As I said to Mr. Doyle, we are in a process now where we are setting up this regulatory authority. I am trying to suggest a way whereby we ensure that we do not keep making these problems for ourselves...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funds
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 7: The Housing Agency’s Revolving Acquisition Fund
(26 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: I am not an expert in construction but can you see the logic in what I am saying?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funds
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 7: The Housing Agency’s Revolving Acquisition Fund
(26 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: Will the officials come back to us on how this is going to be dealt with at source? Will they re-examine this issue of the regulatory body? It is grand to have all these bodies but we have more quangos than would fill the Phoenix Park. We need a very straight line in regard to the tests being taken at the concrete plant, particularly at the batching plant so that it can officially be stood...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funds
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 7: The Housing Agency’s Revolving Acquisition Fund
(26 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: They need to be short-circuited too. That is all I say to you.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funds
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 7: The Housing Agency’s Revolving Acquisition Fund
(26 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: Can I suggest that in this particular local issue, it might be helpful if one of the officials come back to the Deputy on this.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funds
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 7: The Housing Agency’s Revolving Acquisition Fund
(26 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: I thank the witnesses and the staff of the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage for the work they have done preparing for today's meeting. I thank the Department for its work as well and I thank the Comptroller and Auditor General, Mr. Seamus McCarthy, and Ms O'Connor for attending. I also thank Ms Costello, from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, for coming...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: The business before us this afternoon comprises the minutes, accounts and financial statements, correspondence, work programme and any other business. There is a substantial body of work, so I ask for members' co-operation. We will try to move along through the business efficiently. The first item is the minutes of the meeting of 19 January. They have been circulated. No member wishes...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: Do we allow three months?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: We are looking at seven months here. Do any members wish to refer to the accounts and financial statements?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: Why do the SUSI grants go through the City of Dublin Education and Training Board, CDETB? Is it a historical issue?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: For how much is that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. McCarthy for that communication. There are two bodies we have to write to, the Medical Council and the Adoption Authority of Ireland, regarding late supply and we have the issue of the CDETB. Is Deputy Murphy making a proposal regarding that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: It is agreed that we will write to the other two bodies and note the listing of accounts and financial statements. Agreed. As usual, the listing of accounts and financial statements will be published as part of our minutes. No. 3 on our agenda is correspondence. As previously agreed, items that were not flagged for discussion at this meeting will continue to be dealt with in accordance...

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