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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Brian Stanley: No, we are tied up in a contract here. That is why I am anxious to find out at what point we got tied up. In what year did we get tied up in this contract that we could not go into reverse gear?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Brian Stanley: Was it 2007?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Brian Stanley: Have we any control? Is the State tied in by contract to the location and price or price range at this stage?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Brian Stanley: What is the location?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Brian Stanley: We will get an answer to that. Does a business case exist?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Brian Stanley: It is very unsatisfactory that they were tied into this.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Brian Stanley: The next move is with the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Brian Stanley: It would fall to the Department to write the cheque.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Brian Stanley: Ms Mulvihill has not received the documentation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Brian Stanley: I ask Mr. Bourke to keep us up to date in that regard.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Brian Stanley: I will allow members to come back in. We might have a latecomer to the meeting who will need to be provided for. Deputy Hourigan has four minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Brian Stanley: Does Deputy Verona Murphy need to go first because of her Dáil duties?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Brian Stanley: The rating would be very low in respect of some of those buildings.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Brian Stanley: I thank the witnesses.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Brian Stanley: We will have a final round of questions and see how we go. I will ask about the value-for-money report, which dealt with a number of properties and the issue of whether to buy or lease. It was an interesting report which came out about eight weeks ago. I read it at the time. It made the point that leasing makes sense in the short and medium term. We cannot go out and buy hundreds of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Brian Stanley: I understand that and saw it in the briefing note but what I am referring to here is that across five buildings, the potential saving could have been €216 million. I know Mr. Bourke was involved in writing the report with the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. The report stated that in just one of those buildings, we will spend €102 million more to rent it than if we...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Brian Stanley: Has this been discussed with Mr. Buckley's line Minister, the Minister of State with responsibility for the OPW, Deputy O'Donovan?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Brian Stanley: From the point of view of the Committee of Public Accounts, if we can buy, as Mr. Buckley correctly pointed out, we have an asset. It is the same with housing. I know we cannot go out and do it tomorrow morning at the drop of a hat. I understand that but we can see that most of these Departments and bodies are not going away. They will be needed long after we are no longer around.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Brian Stanley: I do not want to take up more time but I have a few questions I want to ask Mr. O'Connor about the Garda station in Portlaoise and the UN veterans' part of that. I thank the OPW for getting back to me on the issue. I will ask my questions after the meeting. On parklands and so forth, we are lucky in County Laois to have Heywood Gardens and Emo Court. The staff and management deserve top...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Brian Stanley: I am talking about the OPW's part of the land, including in Heywood Gardens.

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