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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: When was the proposal made?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: In December 2014, Ms Stewart made a proposal to the Department to write off €4.1 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: I am speaking to Mr. Ó Foghlú. That was in December 2014. We are now half way through 2015. When does he think the decision will be made on the money?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: What does Mr. Burke think?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Given that it is €4.1 million, I hope it will be discussed.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Mr. Burke has not seen the proposal.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Mr. Ó Foghlú has had it for six months.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: When did the Department seek legal advice?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: From whom?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Does it usually take that long to deal with such matters?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: If this happened in a private business, it would no longer be in business. When we move on to 2014, the cost is €8.9 million. The first two years cost €22 million when the error is included. SUSI's costs amounted to €8.9 million, compared to an estimated cost of €10.5 million for the 66 agencies. After all that happened, we are still on the losing side. When...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Would Mr. Ó Foghlú include it if it was a business?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: This would be known through the auditors.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Based on the audited figures for the 66 decision making bodies, can Mr. Ó Foghlú indicate to me the level of write off for grants paid incorrectly?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: It would not have been €4.1 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: How does one contact SUSI's humanity section?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: How would I contact the section? When Deputy Gabrielle McFadden raised an issue, Ms Stewart said she had a section that dealt with exceptional circumstances.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Will Ms Stewart give me the e-mail address and telephone number or tell me the name of the person we can contact?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: How do I contact the service?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Will Mr. Ó Foghlú tell me about the process from 2012 onwards? He has the figures and is examining them and Mr. Burke is assisting. Has he identified where it all went wrong?

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