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Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

David Cullinane: You clarified that he had sight of all three.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

David Cullinane: The obvious question then is, when did he have sight of each of the individual documents? There was the March 2016 briefing note. I imagine that was a briefing note that was contemporaneous in terms of what was being given to the director general at that time. We then have an updated one in July 2016 and a further one in July 2016, two separate ones, is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Which one is the latest one of the two July documents? My question to Mr. Mitchell is, are these three separate briefing documents that were given to the director general at different times or did he receive all three documents, all three iterations of briefing notes, at once?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

David Cullinane: That would be my reading of it.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

David Cullinane: That would be my reading of it as well but is it not absolutely-----

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Is it not amazing that we have got three of these documents? First of all, we sought a memo. There is no cover note to say in what context and all of us here are trying to guess. I find this extraordinary.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

David Cullinane: I am not blaming Mr. Mitchell-----

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

David Cullinane: What the committee sought was a copy of the memo. What we got was three different documents. We now have members who are more confused than they were before they got the documents, because we are trying to figure out between us which was which. Were they all sent at the same time, or were they sent to the director general at the time that they were crafted, which was March and two in July...

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

David Cullinane: It is referred to but it does not tell us-----

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

David Cullinane: That is obvious, but it does not tell us, basically, the context of each of them.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

David Cullinane: I am not going to allow anyone to speak for the director general because he should speak for himself but cannot speak for himself. A lot of people are making excuses for people who are not here. When Teachta MacSharry is finished, I will come to the witnesses we hope to have in next week, who will shed more light on this because there are a lot of outstanding questions for individuals....

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Are they all the same? Is it that hard to-----

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

David Cullinane: When Mr. Breslin spoke about doing a search, what exactly will be searched?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Has Mr. Breslin been looking for this for a couple of weeks?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

David Cullinane: How long has Mr. Breslin been searching for the communication Mr. O'Brien was talking about?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Can I ask the Deputy to finish quickly here, please?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Before we conclude, it is important to review what we have agreed for next week. Before I do that, I believe I can speak on behalf of all members on this issue. Today started for me with the "Morning Ireland" interview with Emma Mhic MhathĂșna. Since then, I have spent hours at this meeting and I have found this to be one of the most depressing exchanges the committee has had because...

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Yes. My understanding is that our meeting with representatives from the National Treatment Purchase Fund and nursing homes to discuss the 2016 financial statements will proceed. As a result, there will be two elements to next week's meeting. While it is a matter for the Chairman and clerk to sort out times, I expect the more lengthy of the two sessions will be the follow-up discussion with...

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

David Cullinane: While I am aware that this has been a long day for witnesses and that many of the questions have been robust, they will understand that members have a job to do and must put questions. I thank them for their attendance.

Ceisteanna - Questions (Resumed) - Priority Questions: Brexit Issues (15 May 2018)

David Cullinane: 25. To ask the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade the details of the protections of human rights in Northern Ireland post Brexit as outlined in the Good Friday Agreement; the measures proposed for the protection of the voting rights of EU citizens in Northern Ireland post Brexit; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [21482/18]

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