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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: I am not disputing that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: Outside consultants were brought in to do proper due diligence on the liquidity ratios, among other things. It came back with the figure of 40% liquidity. Why did the witness deem it necessary to resign the following morning? Why was a meeting with the CEO and the accounting department not called to sit down and discuss it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: The witness told me that he did not. Did he?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: The witness received a phone call the previous night from the IT company.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: What did he do the following morning?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: And did the bank management - the CEO and others - disagree with that view? Did they take the view that the bank was not in breech of liquidity?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: Their view was that there was no breech in liquidity.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: Did the witness take the view that that was not the case?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: What date was that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: That is virtually ten years ago at this point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: The witness is obviously an expert in this area of risk management.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: Why not?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: Being a whistleblower is a very lonely place.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: The one thing we all value is our good name.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: What should the system have done for someone in the witness's position? I have to ask hard questions. Are there any circumstances in which the witness may have been wrong? How should the reporting structure have operated? Clearly there were two reporting routes coming out of UniCredit into the Central Bank. One was through the witness in his position as risk manager. When the witness...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: -----was that ad hoc? The report that was made to the Central Bank was not the regular mechanism.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: No-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: -----I am talking about reporting requirements to the Central Bank.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: Pardon my ignorance, but this is an important point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: When the witness hand delivered the letter to the Central Bank was that a regular, routine filing requirement?

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