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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: The letter references delayed receipt of sale proceeds of existing DIT buildings at Kevin Street, Cathal Brugha Street, Rathmines and Sackville Place. There are other DIT buildings that I presume are to be sold as well. The buildings at Mountjoy Square and Aungier Street come to mind. Are all DIT buildings being closed and sold?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: It sounds like summer reading.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: The Chairman is correct about the 24 hour turnaround. It is a minor miracle, especially considering how stretched this organisation is. We wrote to the Department of Finance about the resourcing issue but we have not had a reply.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: I wish to agree with the Chairman on stakeholders. There is a certain mindset about stakeholders but whistleblowers are stakeholders. Sometimes they are the real stakeholders in that they are looking after the public interest.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: I wish to make one quick point. I have seen this over the years with different things. I note that that process was in August 2017. We are all human beings as well. It is a recess month. It is when people are likely to take holidays and maybe the scrutiny would not be there. I see controversial planning applications being submitted on the August bank holiday weekend and other stuff tied...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Generally, we need to look at the subsidies and the value for money. Some of it may come up in the context of this morning's discussion on green bonds. We all know we need to change over and there are costs in terms of potential fines for polluting where carbon is emitted. At the same time we need to ensure we get value for money for the clean energy that will replace it. I am not sure...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: I want to make it very clear that I fully appreciate the need to swap over to clean energy; my only interest here is the finances involved.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: My concern was whether we got value for money in respect of the use of the public services card. I refer to the final page of the correspondence, on which it is stated, "Not all of these ... are now valid and for that reason we now propose to extend the NDLS Front Office contract for a further year up to February 2020. The €7 million annual cost reflects the approximate ... cost of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: The issue relates to the use of the public services card or the requirement for a public services card-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Yes. Essentially, €2 million was spent and now the RSA has reverted to a previous system because I do not think it had the power to use the public services card. Whether the €2 million was wasted is a matter at which, I believe, we like to look.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: The purpose of the card lies at the heart of this as well. It is a national identity card-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: However, there was a stated purpose in setting this up to begin with. It has gone beyond that stated purpose.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: As there is clearly a Garda investigation under way into this matter, the committee may well be limited in terms of what it can find out about the case until the investigation concludes. Irrespective of whether the foundation is consolidated, the same risk potentially applies to other universities. There is not much point in deriving some learning from this if we do not share it...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: We are due to have NAMA in, is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: There will be a wide variety of issues-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: We are not publishing this, is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Those are for today.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: The Insolvency Service of Ireland has a clear audit opinion.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: We agreed that we would come back to deal with the housing assistance payment, HAP, but also housing, of which HAP is a part.

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