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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: We do not know of any political direction because there may be a difference between a direction from the SCU and civil servants and a political direction that may have been given. There is no evidence that a political direction was given.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: While I understand that, Mr. Fraser is answerable for the way in which the money was spent and what process was used.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: He found no evidence in his examination of any political interference. Is that what he is saying?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: That is fine. I will move on to the cost. How much was spent on advertising Project Ireland 2040?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Does Mr. Fraser have a breakdown of that spending?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: The figure in the public domain was €1.5 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: There was a budget of €1.5 million and €750,000 was spent. On what specifically was the €750,000 spent? On what stages of the process was the money spent?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Was the majority of this money spent before or after the report was finalised and published?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: I have a response to a parliamentary question tabled by my colleague, Deputy Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire, which states that at pre-draft consultation stage of Project Ireland 2040, costs of €60,000 were incurred on advertising-related activities and a further €70,000 was incurred at the draft stage. This would not account for the majority of the €750,000 figure. How much...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: This reply was issued on 20 March 2018.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Okay, but-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: I ask Mr. Fraser to bear with me for a second while I explain what specifically I am looking for. In the case of Project 2040, there was a pre-draft stage and a draft stage before the completed document was presented with bells and whistles. According to a response to a parliamentary question that I have received, the strategic communications unit spent €60,000 at the pre-draft stage...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: That is why I am asking for a breakdown. I can read the response to the parliamentary question again. Maybe Mr. Fraser should read what he has.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: That is a great breakdown of how it was spent but it does not tell us at what stage it was spent, which is the question I am asking. I will ask it again.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Okay. Will I go again? There was a pre-draft stage and a draft stage before the report was published. Mr. Fraser will have to give me a breakdown in response to my question. I would have expected-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: I am referring to Project 2040.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Maybe I will read the response to the parliamentary question in full. It might be helpful to Mr. Fraser and the rest of us.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: The Minister, Deputy Eoghan Murphy, was responding in March of this year.

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