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Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Issues relating to International Surrogacy Arrangements and Achieving Parental Recognition: Discussion (28 Apr 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: I am asking what happens if the child is not considered an Irish citizen. Let us say an Irish citizen and a Brazilian citizen are married and living in Ireland. The Brazilian man has not yet naturalised as an Irish citizen but the couple have a child and the man is the biological father. The family is established in Ireland and intends to live in Ireland. Are we relying on a third country...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Issues relating to International Surrogacy Arrangements and Achieving Parental Recognition: Discussion (28 Apr 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Has that situation arisen, to Ms Byrne's knowledge?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Issues relating to International Surrogacy Arrangements and Achieving Parental Recognition: Discussion (28 Apr 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: I understand that. Is it a common scenario?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Issues relating to International Surrogacy Arrangements and Achieving Parental Recognition: Discussion (28 Apr 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: I am thinking of the current delays in naturalising people who have established lives and relationships here. We have huge backlogs there so I am trying to see if that has occurred already and if Ms Byrne could suggest any workarounds for that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Issues relating to International Surrogacy Arrangements and Achieving Parental Recognition: Discussion (28 Apr 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: What if a naturalisation application has gone in but the child is born before the processing has occurred?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Issues relating to International Surrogacy Arrangements and Achieving Parental Recognition: Discussion (28 Apr 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: I am trying to figure out whether in a practical sense it is creating problems with families stranded overseas not able to travel back to their home. I do not want anybody to refer to any specific instances. Clearly it is an issue that has arisen. My colleagues have referred to the other questions I was going to ask. I thank the witnesses for all the work they are doing.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: I think it would be fair to let Mr. McGarr finish the points he was trying to make.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: I thank our guests for coming here at such short notice. We appreciate their contributions. Following on from what Deputy Colm Burke was saying about good marketable title, could Mr. McGarr explain to the committee his interpretation of this?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: In general.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: What constitutes good marketable title is a freehold or leasehold property with an unexpired term of at least 70 years.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: That is fine. I just wanted that clarification. I want to move on to the CPO process. My colleague mentioned that there was a possibility that this would not be open to the CPO process. Could Mr. McGarr explain what should be done with the site now if he is not in favour of the Government going ahead with the leasehold?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: How would that certainty be achieved?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Would that satisfy Mr. McGarr?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Mr. McGarr would be happy with the leasehold arrangement if the phrase were removed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Is the only practical difference between having the freehold and leasehold that phrase within the documentation? If it were removed, it would be the equivalent of having a freehold-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Would Mr. McGarr accept that the delivery of good services is covered in the licence?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Ultimately, however, Mr. McGarr is saying he is not opposed to the leasehold-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: There is a quid pro quo. It is giving the building currently at Holles Street, which is on a very valuable site in Dublin city centre.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Yes, but to suggest the State is not getting something out of this as well-----

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