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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: -----wearing my Committee of Public Accounts hat and taking an interest in justice issues, it is extraordinary that somebody can be suspended for five years, that the issue has not been concluded and that the taxpayer is picking up the bill. I just want to know how many members of the Garda are in this position. I am just using this case as an example. Why has An Garda Síochána...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: As I understand it, this issue has already gone through the courts and been concluded. The person was found innocent. I just do not know-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: I am using this as an example because it brought to my mind the question of how many cases of this nature have lasted more than two, three, four or five years. There has to be an end. The issues of taxpayers' money and the number of gardaí available are outstanding. It is not acceptable. In respect of this-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: Fine.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: My next question relates to evidence given in respect of Bray Garda station. I refer to the photograph of the evidence room in Bray Garda station in 2012 which I am holding up. This has been published in the media. I showed it to people when it was in the newspaper and they thought it was a photograph of a skip. There has been an internal review through the professional standards unit and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: Surely no one can stand over that picture.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: In fairness-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: Any case could be jeopardised by that. It is ridiculous.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: It was 2012 but it is only being revealed now.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: I accept that it was 2012 but I point out that many of the issues with which we have been dealing in respect of An Garda Síochána and policing relate to that same time period. I will raise one last topic. I was very interested to hear Mr. Nugent's discussion with one of my colleagues in respect of protected disclosures. Obviously I do not want anyone to go into the details of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: Okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: There is a big difference between two and 30.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: Okay. As long as Mr. Nugent can bring the numbers back.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is all. My issue was more about whether there was a willingness to bring the totality of the numbers rather than-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: All we want to do is see the trend, not the individuals.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: Fine. I understand that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: On my last question, I know Mr. Nugent will not have the information with him. This does not relate to protected disclosures but it was in the media. This question relates to an incident involving a civil servant, who I obviously will not name, in the K division of the Dublin metropolitan district west. I will come back with the exact date. It has been stated that an internal...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: Was any civil servant ever in contact with An Garda Síochána in respect of this issue?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: It happened between 23 and 25 June 2017.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: I will give them to Mr. Nugent. There is no problem with that.

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